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by Dalibor
Mon Mar 19, 2007 11:44 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: John Cage Trust Now at Bard
Replies: 7
Views: 3123

Isn't John Cage functioning more like a pop star than a composer? Much talk and media space for him, much "influence", but his music is not making true impression on audiences
by Dalibor
Mon Mar 19, 2007 11:39 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Austria and its all-male sound fetishism
Replies: 43
Views: 13701

I think the best players and best musicians should be chosen for elite orchestras without paying attention on gender/race etc. membership. But I know this is not quite how it's done today
by Dalibor
Mon Mar 19, 2007 11:27 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: What is so Shocking about Debussy?
Replies: 20
Views: 3713

The Prélude at first listening seems improvisational and almost free-form; If that is how it sounds on the first listening, than that is what it is "All music is arbitary, but it must not sound that way!" (Stravinsky) I would agree with dulcinea - I also feel there are much more "shoking" composers...
by Dalibor
Thu Nov 16, 2006 5:35 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: What are you listening to?
Replies: 2843
Views: 582768

Paul Hindemith - Mathis Der Maler (symphony) I listened only the first movement some time ago and now went thourgh the whole thing (on recomendation of some people from this forum). It is a superb work, all three parts are full of atmosphere, have particulary memorable parts and are greatly structu...
by Dalibor
Sun Nov 12, 2006 6:54 pm
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox May 2006 to Feb 26 2007
Topic: Brahms real talent...
Replies: 177
Views: 27705

Mahler's 6th has been called the first modern symphony. He was a primary influence on Shostakovich, Schnittke, Schoenberg and Berg. His penchant for parody and irony has been widely adopted by later composers. Why 6th and not some other? I don't see it as any more modern than other Mahler symphonie...
by Dalibor
Sun Nov 12, 2006 6:46 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: What are you listening to?
Replies: 2843
Views: 582768

J.S. Bach - English suite (from computer midi)

Never heared anything this dull and unoriginal. Why is this held for one of better Bach's works is beyond me at the moment
by Dalibor
Sat Nov 11, 2006 7:37 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: What are you listening to?
Replies: 2843
Views: 582768

Orlande de Lassus - some compilation starting with "Aurora lucis rutilat - Motet a 10", sung by the choir of New College Oxford. Sounds springty and serene, good stuff for laid-back listening
by Dalibor
Fri Nov 10, 2006 3:42 am
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox May 2006 to Feb 26 2007
Topic: Mozart's requiem
Replies: 58
Views: 13676

Mozart's requiem

This Requiem is in a way one of my favourite pieces of music, being hypnoticaly beautifull at times, but... ...don't you think it comes down to parts 1 (introitus), 6 (sequentia, around the middle), 12 and 14 (reprise of introitus)? The rest sounds theatric and common, like Mozart was short on real ...
by Dalibor
Fri Nov 10, 2006 1:26 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: What are you listening to?
Replies: 2843
Views: 582768

Schumann: Concerto for Violoncello and Orchestra in A minor (Op. 129)

Another inspired mess - seems that is what you can expect from him (this is my second Schumann expirience, the first being symphony no.1)
by Dalibor
Thu Nov 09, 2006 9:04 pm
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox May 2006 to Feb 26 2007
Topic: Brahms real talent...
Replies: 177
Views: 27705

It just came to my mind that Brahms wrote those famous "Haydn variations"... how apropriate.
by Dalibor
Thu Nov 09, 2006 8:57 pm
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox May 2006 to Feb 26 2007
Topic: Brahms real talent...
Replies: 177
Views: 27705

I've read a lot of musicology, but I've never read anyone who would rank Liszt with Handel, Bach, Mozart, Beethoven, Schumann, Wagner or Brahms ouch! Brahms and Haydn should be excluded from any list of top ten composers Haydn's records should have "60+" etiquete on them (not for younger then 60 ye...
by Dalibor
Tue Nov 07, 2006 12:50 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: What are you listening to?
Replies: 2843
Views: 582768

Oh, I actually completely skipped that third movement... I'll check it out later, thanks for suggestion. It's the second that left me bored
by Dalibor
Tue Nov 07, 2006 12:43 pm
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox May 2006 to Feb 26 2007
Topic: Brahms real talent...
Replies: 177
Views: 27705

ON the 4th symph 1st mov subject: this is the most moving Brahms work I ever heared, both the opening theme with it's deep harmonic impact and the way he worked out the whole thing - not much to bore or bother you there. There is still the folk-sounding feeling throughout the movement, but lesser em...
by Dalibor
Tue Nov 07, 2006 12:33 pm
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox May 2006 to Feb 26 2007
Topic: Interesting ... CMG's "lurkers"
Replies: 55
Views: 9751

Lance, thank you for support. The truth is I already said everything I had on the subject, so I don't think I will bring it out too often in future. But I hope there will be people here who are into more interesting hi-tech works of composers born after WWII (it's not that there is a huge scene out ...
by Dalibor
Tue Nov 07, 2006 12:25 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: What are you listening to?
Replies: 2843
Views: 582768

karlhenning: The symhpony in three parts. And it was only the first movement I realy listened to - didn't quite get the other two, sounded like bland variations
by Dalibor
Tue Nov 07, 2006 11:34 am
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox May 2006 to Feb 26 2007
Topic: 10 Commandments for the Enjoyment of Music
Replies: 17
Views: 2859

no.10 was a joke, right? ;-) "Falling in trance to Bruckners adagio" is no lesser achievement that falling asleep on the bed of needles
by Dalibor
Tue Nov 07, 2006 11:28 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: What are you listening to?
Replies: 2843
Views: 582768

Paul Hindemith: "Mathis Der Maler" (hope the spelling is right) I like all of this retro-modern take (say Stravinski biblical and ancient-inspired stuff), and this is something like renessance-modern music. NOt too spectacular, but harmonicaly it is interesting and I also now see where John Williams...
by Dalibor
Tue Nov 07, 2006 10:26 am
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox May 2006 to Feb 26 2007
Topic: Brahms real talent...
Replies: 177
Views: 27705

Brahms wrote: Every person (even a moron) is entitled to his/her opinion (See First Amendment).
We finaly agree ;-)
by Dalibor
Tue Nov 07, 2006 10:16 am
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox May 2006 to Feb 26 2007
Topic: Interesting ... CMG's "lurkers"
Replies: 55
Views: 9751

Saphire, it's true that this definitely is not the right place for mentioning electronic instruments. But don't you find it strange that no one seems to care for planting-over of the most universal qualities of classical music into hi-tech aproach? Why all the universal virtues of classical music ha...
by Dalibor
Tue Nov 07, 2006 9:50 am
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox May 2006 to Feb 26 2007
Topic: Brahms real talent...
Replies: 177
Views: 27705

I like the part where Brahms quotes for a couple of measures, "Home On The Range". That's some folk tune, I suppose. He uses them alot, like the children's lullaby quote (almost) in 2nd symph 1st mov. As I already said, his themes sound a bit flat and folkish to me. Whole B-minor piano concerto is ...
by Dalibor
Sat Nov 04, 2006 5:24 pm
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox May 2006 to Feb 26 2007
Topic: Advice to a classical music beginner?
Replies: 30
Views: 6412

Re: Advice to a classical music beginner?

Corlyss_D wrote:
Dalibor wrote: He is the only musician who appears in a video game "civilisation" after all.
Well, that endorsement is a sure sign of Bach's genius. :roll:
He is in the company of the very most important names throughout human history there. And he is the only musician
by Dalibor
Sat Nov 04, 2006 9:26 am
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox May 2006 to Feb 26 2007
Topic: Interesting ... CMG's "lurkers"
Replies: 55
Views: 9751

Re: Interesting ... CMG's "lurkers"

And you know this because . . . . ? ??? There was no kind of music Bach was alien to, is that right? He probably didn't like all of it, but he certainly understood all the music he heared in his time and there was no sort of music he had defensive attitude towards, like people from classical music ...
by Dalibor
Sat Nov 04, 2006 9:11 am
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox May 2006 to Feb 26 2007
Topic: Does Music Mean Anything?
Replies: 37
Views: 6671

Music is certainly more naturaly connected with visual arts actually Yes, of course. That's why we have so many classical music works inspired by Michaelangelo, Raphael, Titian, Da Vinci, El Greco, Picasso, Renoir, Rembrant, Vermeer, Turner, etc., and so few inspired by Goethe, Dante, Schiller, Sha...
by Dalibor
Sat Nov 04, 2006 12:51 am
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox May 2006 to Feb 26 2007
Topic: "Classical Glam?"
Replies: 33
Views: 5939

I think things like this simply don't work. It's not short skirts that classical music lacks today. It's music itself that can't touch people anymore. The reasons are multiple - the most important is global cultural deterioration, due to population explosion and materialism - but strictly classical-...
by Dalibor
Sat Nov 04, 2006 12:43 am
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox May 2006 to Feb 26 2007
Topic: Student and Youth Symphony Orchestras
Replies: 19
Views: 4721

What I ment is that there shouldn't be an instrument that is difficult to be played in tune, and expecially that that is not something to kind of be proud about

I also personaly don't like the sound of a violin - unlike violonchelo which has such a beautifull and noble timbre
by Dalibor
Sat Nov 04, 2006 12:08 am
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox May 2006 to Feb 26 2007
Topic: Interesting ... CMG's "lurkers"
Replies: 55
Views: 9751

Lance, as first thank you for reading this bunch of my posts and answering most of them. As for this one, you understood me wrong on numerous ways. As first, I am nothing near to a composer or a musician of any kind. I do have some musicality, but that's about it. I simply love music. But I DO NOT l...
by Dalibor
Fri Nov 03, 2006 10:33 pm
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox May 2006 to Feb 26 2007
Topic: should we follow collective opinions or is our inner voice
Replies: 39
Views: 5627

An answer on the topic: when I am aware of someones reputation (collective opinion), I seek to confirm it through personal expirience. If my expirience doesn't match with collective opinion, I have to decide weather I just don't get it, or the collective opinion is false. I can't tell exactly how I ...
by Dalibor
Fri Nov 03, 2006 10:19 pm
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox May 2006 to Feb 26 2007
Topic: should we follow collective opinions or is our inner voice
Replies: 39
Views: 5627

paulb I like that you have opinion and that you go with it What I don't like is what I feel is the source of your opions. I think you are listening to too much music - a professional listener maybe? Or an active musician? In this second case it is unavoidable deformation - but whatever, in order to ...
by Dalibor
Fri Nov 03, 2006 9:54 pm
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox May 2006 to Feb 26 2007
Topic: Brahms real talent...
Replies: 177
Views: 27705

Brahms real talent...

... lied in inventing common-sounding folk tunes. Although mostly known for orchestral works, he wasn't an orchestraly-minded, wide-breathed musician such as Beethoven; he was actually a melodist, and a simple one, who coped with those grandiose orchestral forms with a lot of effort and little self-...
by Dalibor
Fri Nov 03, 2006 9:36 pm
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox May 2006 to Feb 26 2007
Topic: Interesting ... CMG's "lurkers"
Replies: 55
Views: 9751

Re: Interesting ... CMG's "lurkers"

"Hypocrisy"? How so, I beg thee tell me. I will. I remeber my first visit here a few years back. It was on-line analogy of a linch (how do you spell it?) The reason? I wanted to speak about possibility of enchancing classical music with electronic instruments. I got many direct personal insults and...
by Dalibor
Fri Nov 03, 2006 8:44 pm
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox May 2006 to Feb 26 2007
Topic: Advice to a classical music beginner?
Replies: 30
Views: 6412

Re: Advice to a classical music beginner?

Hello, new to the forum. Sorry if I am posting this in the wrong place, hope it isn't a problem. Only 16 years old, 17 in a few weeks. I have developed an interest in classical music. I already played the cell at school for some years. I began to listen to classical music only recently. I always li...
by Dalibor
Fri Nov 03, 2006 8:36 pm
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox May 2006 to Feb 26 2007
Topic: Music Vs. the other arts
Replies: 15
Views: 3102

I feel that music is the least accademic and the most instinctive of all the arts, not to say the most unserious art. But it is also the most powerfull and truthtfull one. The most emotional and the most mathematical of arts at the same time - it's kind of magic And when we are at it, I see classica...
by Dalibor
Fri Nov 03, 2006 8:29 pm
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox May 2006 to Feb 26 2007
Topic: Music Vs. the other arts
Replies: 15
Views: 3102

This is a philosophical question. Sartre postulated that music and drama (plays, opera, ballet, etc.) are based on time principles (unlike painting, sculpture, etc.) and that these are the "greater" of the arts, due to beginning, movement, climax and end. Anything that Sartre said should be taken w...
by Dalibor
Fri Nov 03, 2006 8:19 pm
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox May 2006 to Feb 26 2007
Topic: Does Music Mean Anything?
Replies: 37
Views: 6671

It's interesting to note how carefully you all avoided to mention that music can also convey atmospheres and sensations, or more precisely to evoke a world itself rather then our emotions or will inside that world. This is called impressionism, if I recall well? I was always puzzeled as to why peopl...
by Dalibor
Fri Nov 03, 2006 7:53 pm
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox May 2006 to Feb 26 2007
Topic: "Classical Glam?"
Replies: 33
Views: 5939

I would never go to the concert like that Totaly ridiculous, has nothing to do with classical music
by Dalibor
Fri Nov 03, 2006 7:40 pm
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox May 2006 to Feb 26 2007
Topic: Interesting ... CMG's "lurkers"
Replies: 55
Views: 9751

Re: Interesting ... CMG's "lurkers"

Lurkers: However, you are ENCOURAGED to participate. Don't feel that you don't have the knowledge or may be inadequate in a subject. We're all here to learn and share ideas and thoughts about classical music. This is a very well behaved music board. We don't tolerate picking on others or making fun...
by Dalibor
Fri Nov 03, 2006 5:05 pm
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox May 2006 to Feb 26 2007
Topic: Student and Youth Symphony Orchestras
Replies: 19
Views: 4721

jbuck919 wrote: I tell people who are in an in-between situation that it is easier to make one hundred foul shots in a row in basketball than it is to play a violin consiistently in tune. That's an exaggeration, but not much of one.
What a bad instrument, that violin.
by Dalibor
Fri Nov 03, 2006 4:59 pm
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox May 2006 to Feb 26 2007
Topic: The Sad State of Classical Music Journalism
Replies: 11
Views: 2324

A joyfull thing in this sad state is that classical music journalist still keep doing a good job on satanising everything that has to do with new electronic tecnhology
by Dalibor
Fri Nov 03, 2006 4:42 pm
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox May 2006 to Feb 26 2007
Topic: Some Thoughts About Early Music
Replies: 10
Views: 2962

Who ever enjoyed a work by Webern? I do, I do. Cheers, ~Karl Hmm. Are you sure? As for the theme itself (early music), I'm not that interested to evangelise about when it started/ended, but I am interested in this: why there is less and less harmony in "new" music, as opossed to the early? When I s...
by Dalibor
Fri Nov 03, 2006 4:31 pm
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox May 2006 to Feb 26 2007
Topic: Some Thoughts About Early Music
Replies: 10
Views: 2962

The german romantic affectionados cry "its still alive and as fresh as ever, as lovely as the day it was scored" The problem, as they see it, lies with anyone who cannot hear as they hear. Agree yet ask many of them about Schonberg, Berg, Webern. :? "duh" Don't even ask them about Schnittke and Pet...
by Dalibor
Sun Jan 29, 2006 12:22 pm
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox August 2005 to May 31, 2006
Topic: A fairly good description of Schoenberg and his music
Replies: 26
Views: 6763

Re: No genius?

Of course Schoenberg's music is (still perceived as) difficult and "unpopular" ,but most serious,well informed musicians (or music lovers) do understand -at least- his historical and artistic stature. It takes time, commitment and historical insight to grasp the full meaning of his work. He was an ...
by Dalibor
Sun Jan 29, 2006 12:08 pm
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox August 2005 to May 31, 2006
Topic: A fairly good description of Schoenberg and his music
Replies: 26
Views: 6763

Yes, Schoenberg's method was simply a way of organizing logically what had taken place chaotically up to that point in time. How comes then that his music sounds so chaotic? I myself couldn't tell when Schoenberg misses a note on his piano. He produced the first music that you need to learn how to ...
by Dalibor
Sun Jan 29, 2006 11:57 am
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox August 2005 to May 31, 2006
Topic: Golijov and Composing for the Laptop
Replies: 1
Views: 804

Re: Golijov and Composing for the Laptop

Maybe Björk will produce the next masterpiece rather than someone from classical tradition. ?? Bjork's music is not very tastefull neither creative at my opinion. I don't see a way for her to produce a single decent song, and not to speak about a "next masterpiece". ....classical music, which steri...
by Dalibor
Sun Jan 22, 2006 1:54 pm
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox August 2005 to May 31, 2006
Topic: Mussorgsky's Pictures with orchestrations other than Ravel's
Replies: 9
Views: 3093

I know only Ravels version and find it very good, except "Baby Yaga" which came out more sparse than I would like. For me, this version could be bettered only by a very inventive musician, and who would use some modern stuido techniques.
by Dalibor
Sun Jan 22, 2006 1:48 pm
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox August 2005 to May 31, 2006
Topic: A fairly good description of Schoenberg and his music
Replies: 26
Views: 6763

A fairly good description of Schoenberg and his music

by Pierre Schaeffer (French experimentator with first electronic sound devices), taken from http://emusician.com/em_spotlight/Pioneers_Sampling/ : Schaeffer despised the trends of classical music in the 20th Century, still embroiled in the 12-tone and serialist methods of Arnold Schoenberg and his d...
by Dalibor
Thu Oct 13, 2005 7:57 am
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox August 2005 to May 31, 2006
Topic: Apropo numerous performing-related threads...
Replies: 3
Views: 1157

Apropo numerous performing-related threads...

I noticed there is alot talk here about performances of this and that work. Don't you think that it is mostly due to the fact that there was no recording technology in old days? If composers had those devices they could record their's music exactly as they wanted it to sound and I suppose much of th...
by Dalibor
Mon Sep 26, 2005 4:57 pm
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox August 2005 to May 31, 2006
Topic: PARSIFAL
Replies: 52
Views: 10313

Every oper of Wagner is flawed, as Rossini expressed long ago:

"Wagner had beautifull moments and awfull quarter-hours"
by Dalibor
Mon Sep 26, 2005 4:45 pm
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox August 2005 to May 31, 2006
Topic: haunting works
Replies: 41
Views: 20537

There are a few film scores that are very haunting. Try choir section from 2001: Odissey in space or Mike Oldfields scoundtrack for "Killing Fields" - the track "Prans' Escape/The Killing Fields".
by Dalibor
Mon Sep 26, 2005 4:41 pm
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox August 2005 to May 31, 2006
Topic: For Neophytes: What got me into Classical Music
Replies: 62
Views: 17637

It was Beethovens 5th symhpny, Mozarts 40th (or was it 41th?) symphony - first movements, and Bach&Vivaldi baroque compilations, that I found in my fathers collection. And also Tartinis Devils Thriller (is that how it was named?) and Josef Suks four pieces for violin and a piano (op 17). I was six y...
by Dalibor
Mon Sep 05, 2005 12:55 pm
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox August 2005 to May 31, 2006
Topic: Anyone here like hip-hop and Jazz too?
Replies: 20
Views: 4678

I don't like jazz neither hip-hop. Only classical and electronic music.

But it seems that synthesizer music is the last thing that can be discussed on this board, even hip-hop is discussed more relaxed.