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paulb

Not sure which i dislike more Tocannniii's conducting OR B's adagio?
I think it falls to Tosc.

Yep I'm back in full form
Hey Lance don't delete my memnbership, what would you guys do w/o the critic?
lol

paulb

will the concert be as good as say Bing's White Christmas album

Happy Thanksgiving Karl

paulb

Werner you are exactly correct, most of what Heiftez and Rubinstein play do not interest me at all. But some do, and those i have heard. they play with sentimental inflection at times and push THEIR unique personality OVER THE MUSIC. Heiftez could never play the repertoire that Gidon Kremer plays. N...

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Lance: you are right of course about Paulb. He seems to hate everybody. (maybe H.and R.because were both jews ?), But on Bruch. hmm, I prefer Rachel Barton Pine's version to H. Do you know it? Lance I've been called by several folks, several times over at GMG, "xenophobe, anti humantist" nad even w...

paulb

The poor are getting poorer.
But thank god we have the democrats who crank up the ol money machine at full speed ahead.
Bounty for everyone is their moto.
Makes the $ worthless.

paulb

:last yr someone sold me on the Heiftez hype, so I went and bought 8 of his cds.
Dumped them all.
Way over rated./
Rubinstein too. Can't stand his playing.

paulb

Yes delete all old arkives, only last 3 months should be kept.
Also take off some filtering. What does it matter if a few spams make it throught/porno and stuff. Just have someone delete it ASAP.
anyway hope you can clear it up

paulb

johnQpublic wrote:A no-brainer:

Mozart's Requiem

Yes heavy and dark.

paulb

yeah try Schnittke. Thats dark.
Requiem, Concerto for Chorus

paulb

I just looked at Arkiv's listings for Schumann. 1,886 recordings. How is this not enough? And I'm sure there are a few hundred others not on Arkiv. My guess is that you will not see very many , if any new Schumann recordings. As this 150 yr celebration didn't even happen, which obviously should have...

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Paul Three points in response: 1. You appear to think it's normal to like either Mozart or Beethoven. I would have thought that normality is the other way round, namely that someone who likes one would normally like the other. 2. You overlook that Beethoven spanned the Classical and Romantic eras. ...

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Not sure which specific 19th century composers you have in mind. But I think its truthful to say that some romantic composers had less of a religious bent, and more towards agnostic ideas. I was thinking specifically of the Verdi, Brahms and Berlioz Requiems: I believe Verdi was an aetheist. Brahms...

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Oh brother. They stuck a Beethoven with Ravel.
When will they learn.
However I will say Beethoven's 3rd syms is one of his best, and i actually like it, along with his 4th. I like these 2 Beethoven syms.
So thats the better show. Don't miss it.
Let us know how it turned out.

paulb

And take notice of my list. Spans, early renaissance, Byrd, Tallis, Vivaldi, Bach, to Mozart, even Wagner sits at the table!!!, Grieg, Albeniz, to Schonberg, Shostakovich and many others of this era, and completes full circle to Elliot carter, Schnittke and Pettersson. That seems to me to embrace e...

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Nyugen, I understand what you are saying. That I have blown things out of proportion. OK, so you did not have a "revelation' in the sense of a "born again experience". That you are saying "gee its not really that big a deal what happened to me in that symphony". I will accept this "compromise" from ...

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Though my list is 'cast in stone", really thats not a sign of closed mindedness. Thanks, again, Paul ! That is easily the funniest thing I've read all day! :-) Cheers, ~Karl Karl, take notice of what i said before and afterwards, the context. I said the list is the composers I am most affected by. ...

paulb

If you listen to the mass and do not acheive unio mystica with the divine, transcending all worldly thoughts and being, then you haven't heard its full potential and purpose, IMHO. By Mozart's time, Christian belief was in very short supply, and the composers of the great masses of the 19th century...

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If you listen to the mass and do not acheive unio mystica with the divine, transcending all worldly thoughts and being, then you haven't heard its full potential and purpose, IMHO. By Mozart's time, Christian belief was in very short supply, and the composers of the great masses of the 19th century...

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I do not have an answer as I've not had the opportunity to hear Beethoven's mass in the church. It's the music that counts, not the building. Moses heard God on a mountain top. He didn't need four holy walls and a roof. Sarge No churches in Moses time. How true, no synagoges as yet. But when we con...

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It's not impossible to love both 19th century music and 20th century. And I say to you again, knowing both Pettersson and Schnittke far longer than you have, they are no more "spiritual" and probably less so, than Romantics like Liszt and Bruckner, or Classicists like Haydn (men who were deeply rel...

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I believe Nyugen's experience is what awaits any who have the capacity to hear Schnittke's soundworld. I can understand how the romantics may be put off by his music. But to those who seek something that addresses the issues facing our world, the sufferings all around us, the perplexing ?no anser" ...

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Good Brendan, I could not express it, bor dare to, in those words. The atheists on the other site dealt me a pretty good blow and have throughly intimidated me into not secluding them out of any musical experience. That they have just as much right to any music as I. That the idea of religious belie...

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Wow Opus, another admirer of Schnittke on the board. There's so much to discuss on Schnittke's works. Hope we can begin a journey into his music. I believe Nyugen's experience is what awaits any who have the capacity to hear Schnittke's soundworld. I can understand how the romantics may be put off b...

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Everyone should go to the listening thread and see what Nguyen just wrote on his initial experience of Alfred Schnittke's 2nd sym. This is what I have been trying to express about Schnittke in the past few months. Ideas not successfully expressed I agree, as my thoughts are told in such jumbled and ...

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Quite an experience. Glad to know someone here has braved this work and loves it. Well, the second Symphony was my first attempt at listening to Schnittke. It was a completely new experience, unlike anything I've every heard. It completely shattered my perceptions of music and opened my ears and mi...

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Schnittke - Symphony No.2 "St.Florian" Segerstam, Royal Stockholm Orchestra, Mikaeli Chamber Choir Quite an experience. Glad to know someone here has braved this work and loves it. I realzied today our BIS release does not offer a libretto to this 'scared sym". Its a mass and a sym combined, Schnit...

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On a slightly point from the one Paul was making, my view about appreciating a great Mass (whether it's Mozart's, Beethoven's or whoever) is that a religious belief is not necessary. An atheist or agnostic or non-Christian can enjoy the music of a Mass as much as a "believer". That's not entierly t...

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Take the Credo for example. An atheist wouldn't have a clue what it's all about, or if he did he might find it offensive. On the other hand, a "believer" would be able to relate to it directly. He would not just appreciate the music but also the music's connotations, and thus be able to "log in" to...

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Paul, Micha, H-S I think the discussion here is a bit confused and sterile because everyone is addressing different points. On a slightly point from the one Paul was making, my view about appreciating a great Mass (whether it's Mozart's, Beethoven's or whoever) is that a religious belief is not nec...

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With music this great, any ranking is meaningless, so I don't mind making the choice for the most trivial of reasons: The 39th has clarinets, and a clarinet solo. Mark the poll is trivial. Are you saying no clarinets in 40 and 41? hummm, I love the clarinet, and will listen more closely to the 39th...

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In my eyes the enjoyment of the music alone brings benefit if you happen to agree with the message contained within it and 'live up to it' or not. How is it 'not doing you good' if you happen to not listen to the message of the work if you still enjoy it? That's what I'm curious about, as for misan...

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I wasn't making any disguised accusations about you, I assure you. If I thought you were misanthropic I would have said it. You commented on how he should listen to the message behind the music (in this case the message being a love of all humanity, a religious message, something along those lines)...

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Ck out the Ebay listing for Shosty's syms/Kondrashin. I find syms 5-15 all enjoyable. Some may strike you immediaetly, while others down the road. Also violin concerto 1/Oistrakh, with either Ormandy/sony, Rozhdestvensky/BBC classics or Marvinsky/praga I see the Mravinsky is re-released on Chant du ...

paulb

I wasn't making any disguised accusations about you, I assure you. If I thought you were misanthropic I would have said it. You commented on how he should listen to the message behind the music (in this case the message being a love of all humanity, a religious message, something along those lines)...

paulb

I know what you are getting at. I've been called xenophobic by at least one member over at GMG, and that accusation was cheered on by many others. How am I suppose to defend myself and offer solid proof that i am in no way misanthropic anda xenophobe? Anything i say will be used against me. I take t...

paulb

It's good because it provides wonderful listening. What about music that takes a misanthropic stance? Should we not enjoy that unless we agree with the message, or follow it? Should be interesting... Yes this is what I am also saying, that music is a WONDER-FULL experience. This magical state of ch...

paulb

Look if you can't live up the message in his masses, then dump the cd, as its not doing you any benifit. Say WHAT? You don't have to agree with, or live by the 'message' in a piece of music to enjoy it, and if it provides you with enjoyment it is certainly doing some good. I'm refering to Misha'a a...

paulb

It does. That's why it pains me so much that some people have to live with such a horrible affliction like yours. I tried to help you, but I failed. Isn't there *some* kind of therapy for you? Indeed, no denying it, I've suffered all my life with psychological issues. What keeps me alive and functi...

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I see since your GMG times you have progressed from judging music and performances based on brief, highly compressed clips to judging music you haven't even heard at all. I am sorry to see your condition has gotten worse. For a while, you showed some signs of relative sanity. I thought there was st...

paulb

For those newbiew who stop at Mozart's Requiem, are missing out on dozens of other highly spiritual sacred works in his masses and other sacred works. If you add it all up it amounts to like 15 cds worth of music of stunning beauty. Since Brahms and Verdi's requiems were brought up, I feel no sense...

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For those newbiew who stop at Mozart's Requiem, are missing out on dozens of other highly spiritual sacred works in his masses and other sacred works. If you add it all up it amounts to like 15 cds worth of music of stunning beauty. Since Brahms and Verdi's requiems were brought up, I feel no sense ...

paulb

I have had the privilege to sing in choruses that performed Mozart's Requiem (three times at least), Brahms's Requiem, and Verdi's Requiem over the years. The one that tires me the least? Mozart's. It's a matter of personal preference, but even though I love all three of these masterworks, I find B...

paulb

Hello Paul Yeah, we've been hiding away in here having a nice chat about all our heros. Only slight disagreements here and there, but we are all basically united against the foe. We've actually been increasing our strength. There are Schumann fans all over the place. Just been waiting to "come out"...

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Jack and Val and Brahms Further to my post above, I should perhaps have given my personal Top 10 list as well. I really don't think there is anyone to touch Beethoven. 1. LvB 2. Schubert 3. Schumann 4. Brahms 5. Chopin 6. Mozart 7. Tchaikovsky 8. Wagner 9. Mendelssohn 10. Liszt ........ Saphire Wel...

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Some years ago, the present writer was travelling on a south London suburban train and overheard a conversation about music between two schoolboys. Eventually, summing up, one of them said, with the solemn conclusiveness of fifteen or sixteen years: “When you come down to it, man, there’s only two ...

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[snipped] I guess these composers you mention will attract someone. [snipped] His [Carter's] music has this universality to it, embracing the earth, and even the universe. Well Paul, I'm glad you see Carter this way for yourself. He's simply not for me based on what I've heard and tried to hear and...

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..... The Glass', Adams', Carters, Lutoslawskis, Ligetis, etc are the trendsetters. When people talk about modern composers on the playlist, those are the people they are talking about. Corlyss please edit your post. Exclude the name Carter, he's on a totally different level of composing. Thanks. b...

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The shock of the new Arts We are living in a glorious period for contemporary British musical composition. There are more first-rate composers living and working in The British Composer Awards will be presented on 24 November [http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio3/newmusic/britishcomposerawards.shtml] . Oh y...

paulb

Uh oh, i just got a PM asking if I knew anything about if/why GMG site is down. Said had no idea.

I see it is down...must be on good behavoir...reinforcements from the 'romantic bergade" will soon be arriving.
Retreat!!!

paulb

, you rogue! :D Fact is, Paul , "every note/phrase/figure having an essential purpose" -- far from being at all opposed to these composers -- is strikingly appropriate for Prokofiev, Berg, Webern, Schoenberg, Debussy & Ravel . I cannot answer for why your ears don't hear that. You're going to be in...

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