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by John F
Sun Sep 22, 2019 8:46 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Standards for New Music
Replies: 33
Views: 363

Re: Standards for New Music

...The people our age whose families, relatives and the like suffered and died in that war (grandfathers/mothers and friends of our parents) and whose memories and stories we've all heard since childhood ensure we won't (can't) forget what Germany did in a hurry. And, John, 74 years doesn't seem a ...
by John F
Sun Sep 22, 2019 7:40 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Looking for info on Oceanic Records label
Replies: 1
Views: 18

Re: Looking for info on Oceanic Records label

Oceanic published recordings from ca. 1951 to 1954, some with the Paris Radio Orchestra cnducted by Leibowitz, others by the Vienna State Opera Orchestra conducted by Jonathan Sternberg. My guess is that they didn't actually produce these recordings but licensed at least some of them from European s...
by John F
Sun Sep 22, 2019 7:02 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Standards for New Music
Replies: 33
Views: 363

Re: Standards for New Music

Why the baby boomers? They by definition bear no blame. Quite right. It's 74 years since the end of the war and the Nazi Party. Hardly anyone is still alive who came of age and can be assigned responsibility. Both German and Japanese societies have long since been transformed from what they were to...
by John F
Sun Sep 22, 2019 12:59 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Baltimore Symphony Musicians Are ‘Stunned’ After Concerts Are Canceled
Replies: 28
Views: 12698

Re: Baltimore Symphony Musicians Are ‘Stunned’ After Concerts Are Canceled

Baltimore Symphony Orchestra musicians reach tentative agreement with management, could perform Friday By Mary Carole McCauley Sep 21, 2019 The Baltimore Symphony Orchestra and its musicians announced Saturday that they have reached a tentative agreement on a one-year contract that could return the ...
by John F
Sun Sep 22, 2019 8:57 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Liszt’s ‘Harmonies,’ More Intimate Than Ever
Replies: 3
Views: 31

Re: Liszt’s ‘Harmonies,’ More Intimate Than Ever

I only know two of the Harmonies Poetiques et Religieuses, the Benediction de Dieu dans la Solitude and Funerailles. The latter is a tremendous virtuoso piece that I expect most here know, but just in case, here it is as played in 1955 by the young Alexis (Sigi) Weissenberg. 5Qj4DmoZB_Y https://www....
by John F
Sun Sep 22, 2019 8:50 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Standards for New Music
Replies: 33
Views: 363

Re: Standards for New Music

And on the other hand there's Oskar Schindler, as in Steven Spielberg's "Schindler's List" which I gather is the true story. And acts of heroism such those by as Sophie and Hans Scholl of the White Rose. They don't balance out - nothing balances out crimes against humanity - but should nonetheless b...
by John F
Sun Sep 22, 2019 4:50 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Standards for New Music
Replies: 33
Views: 363

Re: Standards for New Music

I thought well of "The Tempest" too, though the Met would possibly have done better to pick up the Covent Garden production as its own by Gelb favorite Robert Lepage was lacking in magic. But after the first run of 8 performances in 2012, it hasn't been revived - unusual, as the Met almost always re...
by John F
Sat Sep 21, 2019 11:39 am
Forum: Corner Pub
Topic: The Climate Change Bandwagon - Who's On It?
Replies: 12
Views: 111

Re: The Climate Change Bandwagon - Who's On It?

Belle, I don't know or care about the science of the Great Barrier Reef. What I do care about is the validity and integrity of science itself., real science rather than self-proclaimed science You can find credentialed scientists who hold and publicly argue for patently antiscientific views - not a ...
by John F
Sat Sep 21, 2019 4:47 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Standards for New Music
Replies: 33
Views: 363

Re: Standards for New Music

music cannot be usefully judged by standards of the past (nothing anywhere at any time can be usefully judged by inappropriate standards) That's your position in a nutshell - very neatly put. But who says the "standards of the past," however these are defined, are "inappropriate," and why are they?...
by John F
Sat Sep 21, 2019 4:30 am
Forum: Corner Pub
Topic: The Climate Change Bandwagon - Who's On It?
Replies: 12
Views: 111

Re: The Climate Change Bandwagon - Who's On It?

I'm not going to disagree with this as I simply don't know. All I know is that nothing I have seen or read is conclusive so I don't think that there is enough empirical evidence. In other words, nothing will persuade you - that's what it amounts to. If a radical reduction in human-made carbon in th...
by John F
Sat Sep 21, 2019 3:47 am
Forum: Classical Concert Reviews
Topic: Ax Rattle LSO at Barbican
Replies: 6
Views: 57

Re: Ax Rattle LSO at Barbican

I'm afraid my traveling days are over. It's my legs - I can only walk short distances now and more than a couple of stairs are too much for me. Hey, I'm 78! But I have memories of many happy times in London and England, going back to 1956-7 when my family lived in Leeds and my father was doing diale...
by John F
Fri Sep 20, 2019 6:04 pm
Forum: Classical Concert Reviews
Topic: Ax Rattle LSO at Barbican
Replies: 6
Views: 57

Re: Ax Rattle LSO at Barbican

Yes, Philip, that was an exceptional Bruckner 9 (3 movement version). The main thing I remember about the Messiaen is how loud it was. For all its faults, the Barbican doesn't mute an orchestra's sound; a Shostakovich Leningrad Symphony there by the LSO and Mariss Jansons got so loud it hurt my ears...
by John F
Fri Sep 20, 2019 5:59 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Tim Page on music reviewing
Replies: 11
Views: 307

Re: Tim Page on music reviewing

Lance wrote:Virgin Thomson
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by John F
Fri Sep 20, 2019 4:16 am
Forum: Corner Pub
Topic: The Climate Change Bandwagon - Who's On It?
Replies: 12
Views: 111

Re: The Climate Change Bandwagon - Who's On It?

the jury is still out on the causes because it hasn't been conclusively proved What proof would you accept as "conclusive"? As far as I'm concerned, there's scientific evidence enough to justify humanity's trying to do something about it; if we wait and wait until every last doubter has come around...
by John F
Thu Sep 19, 2019 8:36 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Tim Page on music reviewing
Replies: 11
Views: 307

Re: Tim Page on music reviewing

The New Yorker has a pay wall, but they let some of their articles through it. Ross's web site, https://www.therestisnoise.com/, has links to the New Yorker pieces we can read.
by John F
Thu Sep 19, 2019 8:34 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Boston Symphony on Naxos???
Replies: 3
Views: 75

Re: Boston Symphony on Naxos???

Major American orchestras have appeared on such labels in the past when the recorded repertoire lacks commercial appeal. New World Records published some recordings of new American music by the New York Philharmonic and other top orchestras.
by John F
Thu Sep 19, 2019 8:01 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Standards for New Music
Replies: 33
Views: 363

Re: Standards for New Music

Thanks for spelling out what you mean. It makes sense in its own terms. However, I don't think it makes sense in terms of the actual history of music and its reception when new and later when not so new. As Schoenberg said, "There is still much good music to be written in C major." And it's that new...
by John F
Wed Sep 18, 2019 5:58 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Daniel Wayenberg RIP
Replies: 3
Views: 99

Re: Daniel Wayenberg RIP

When I was looking for Sigi Weissenberg's Lumen records in Paris record shops, more than once the clerk thought I meant Wayenberg instead of Weissenberg and brought out several of his records. Most likely he was doing well in France at the time. I wasn't interested and didn't listen to any of them, ...
by John F
Wed Sep 18, 2019 5:53 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Tim Page on music reviewing
Replies: 11
Views: 307

Re: Tim Page on music reviewing

The best music writer nowadays, I'd say, is Alex Ross of The New Yorker. Unfortunately he is almost never given the space to review music and performances - the New Yorker's music criticism has steadily shrunk since Andrew Porter retired. To tell the truth, I don't think very highly of the NY Times'...
by John F
Wed Sep 18, 2019 4:20 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: What I listened to today
Replies: 828
Views: 506453

Re: What I listened to today

the Chaconne - I instantly wondered if Bach knew the music of Purcell. It so reminded me of "When I am Laid in Earth". Unlikely. That ground bass, known as the lamento or lament bass, was common property in the 17th century and after; Bach used it often. As for "Dido and Aeneas," the earliest known...
by John F
Wed Sep 18, 2019 10:34 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: What I listened to today
Replies: 828
Views: 506453

Re: What I listened to today

When I was a staff announcer for WBAI in New York, we signed off the air every night with this recording:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujLK28Nlmq4
by John F
Wed Sep 18, 2019 10:27 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Ernst Haefliger (tenor) - EDITION/DGG
Replies: 11
Views: 540

Re: Ernst Haefliger (tenor) - EDITION/DGG

The Vienna Philharmonic "took a hiatus" from performing Mahler after 1938, the year of the Anschluss; Mahler's music was banned in Austria by the Nazis. Immediately before that they had performed the 9th symphony and 2 years earlier "Das Lied von der Erde," both conducted by Bruno Walter and publish...
by John F
Wed Sep 18, 2019 8:50 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Tim Page on music reviewing
Replies: 11
Views: 307

Re: Tim Page on music reviewing

There's still an Arts section in the NY Times every day, and today's paper has 12 articles (I subscribe online so I don't know how many pages), but since that section also includes movie reviews, pieces about serious music, theatre, and dance aren't given much space.
by John F
Wed Sep 18, 2019 4:17 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Guardian's The best classical music works of the 21st century
Replies: 14
Views: 982

Re: Guardian's The best classical music works of the 21st century

the point of doing any art is to do something that hasn't already been done There are other reasons for "doing art" and other criteria for judging it than total originality from the ground up. Of course works of art differ from each other to some degree, but there's no need for the differences to b...
by John F
Wed Sep 18, 2019 3:34 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Family musicians performing together?
Replies: 12
Views: 449

Re: Family musicians performing together?

I guess we are not surprised to find multiple members of a family who share musical talent: married couples who met "through work" and their talented offspring (there must be a genetic factor, I suppose). It probably shouldn't be surprising, but many notable composers - maybe most of them - were th...
by John F
Tue Sep 17, 2019 10:39 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Petrenko / Berlin Phil
Replies: 7
Views: 580

Re: Petrenko / Berlin Phil

Relatives or not, the best singers aren't necessarily chosen for performances and recordings. Bruno Walter's recording of Mahler's 4th symphony and some of the Gesänge aus der Jugendzeit (with him at the piano) featured the soprano Desi Halban, daughter of the Viennese prima donna Selma Kurz but ver...
by John F
Tue Sep 17, 2019 8:37 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Ernst Haefliger (tenor) - EDITION/DGG
Replies: 11
Views: 540

Re: Ernst Haefliger (tenor) - EDITION/DGG

[quote="David Hurwitz"the New York orchestra has an even more authentic Mahlerian pedigree than do the Viennese[/quote] What can Hurwitz mean by that? Mahler was the chief conductor of both orchestras, but he conducted the Vienna Philharmonic as the orchestra of the Court Opera far more often and lo...
by John F
Tue Sep 17, 2019 8:03 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Guardian's The best classical music works of the 21st century
Replies: 14
Views: 982

Re: Guardian's The best classical music works of the 21st century

"The best classical music works of the 21st century" pretends to something more definitive than that. Add "so far" and it's OK.
by John F
Tue Sep 17, 2019 12:46 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Tim Page on music reviewing
Replies: 11
Views: 307

Re: Tim Page on music reviewing

Page isn't talking about record reviews, which rarely appear in newspapers and magazines, but about reviews of live performances, an entirely different matter. After all, reviewed or not, the recording will still be there as primary evidence of the performance; not so a live performance unless it ha...
by John F
Tue Sep 17, 2019 5:15 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Tim Page on music reviewing
Replies: 11
Views: 307

Tim Page on music reviewing

In Memory of the Critic’s Trade Tim Page September 2019 Back when most of the leading newspapers in the United States employed paid, officially designated music critics, the artists reviewed were, quite naturally, pleased by positive reviews and less happy with negative ones. The only unpardonable o...
by John F
Tue Sep 17, 2019 2:55 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Lyric Opera of Chicago Mazzola Will Take Over
Replies: 3
Views: 426

Re: Lyric Opera of Chicago Mazzola Will Take Over

The occasional eminent guest conductor in season after season of Bruno Bartoletti does not a conductor's opera company make. As for Andrew Davis, he's certainly competent but he's the wrong Davis. :)
by John F
Tue Sep 17, 2019 2:52 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: I Will Save Classical Music
Replies: 5
Views: 567

Re: I Will Save Classical Music

With my long and broad experience of classical music performances, on records and in person, going back 60 years, I'm hard to please. I don't easily forget or put aside what has pleased me and gone into my personal standards of excellence. The first performance of "The Marriage of Figaro" I ever saw...
by John F
Mon Sep 16, 2019 8:18 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Family musicians performing together?
Replies: 12
Views: 449

Re: Family musicians performing together?

Brother and sister partnerships are perhaps not the same as other blood and non-blood relationships; growing up in the same household, etc. Nannerl and Wolfgang Mozart, and any number of Bachs.
by John F
Mon Sep 16, 2019 6:22 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Petrenko / Berlin Phil
Replies: 7
Views: 580

Re: Petrenko / Berlin Phil

This kind of nepotism ... didn't just start in recent times. Quite so. The great conductor Felix Weingartner (1863-1942) featured his wife, the not so great mezzo-soprano Lucille Marcel, in several recordings, including some songs he composed for her. And I'm sure there have been many earlier examp...
by John F
Mon Sep 16, 2019 1:11 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: What NEW discs/music are you adding to your collection?
Replies: 4072
Views: 976369

Re: What NEW discs/music are you adding to your collection?

Noseda studied with Valery Gergiev and then became his principal guest conductor at the Mariinsky Opera, so doubtless he knows the Russian repertoire specially well.
by John F
Mon Sep 16, 2019 1:07 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Ernst Haefliger (tenor) - EDITION/DGG
Replies: 11
Views: 540

Re: Ernst Haefliger (tenor) - EDITION/DGG

For me, Haefliger had a fine voice and sang well but was rather dull. I heard him only once in person, in Mozart's "Seraglio" at Glyndebourne in 1956, but I had learned the music from the Fricsay recording in which he also sings, and maybe that makes a better impression with a more vital conductor t...
by John F
Mon Sep 16, 2019 1:00 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: What I listened to today
Replies: 828
Views: 506453

Re: What I listened to today

Copeland became friends with Debussy who approved his way of playing his music. One of Copeland's most remarkable feats, repeated in several recordings, is his transcription of the Afternoon of a Faun, which you might think would lose a lot minus the colors of Debussy's orchestration. Well, judge fo...
by John F
Sun Sep 15, 2019 10:02 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: What I listened to today
Replies: 828
Views: 506453

Re: What I listened to today

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by John F
Sun Sep 15, 2019 9:59 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Guardian's The best classical music works of the 21st century
Replies: 14
Views: 982

Re: Guardian's The best classical music works of the 21st century

The 21st century has 80 years to go; selecting its best classical works might seem a trifle premature. :) Also, after the top 15 most of which I might agree with, most are by British and American composers, a provincial orientation that's perhaps not surprising given the source but not encouraging.
by John F
Sun Sep 15, 2019 12:33 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Pianist Jan Lisiecki's new Beethoven concertos cd set
Replies: 16
Views: 1038

Re: Pianist Jan Lisiecki's new Beethoven concertos cd set

That's as anti-rhetorical performance of this very rhetorical concerto as you're likely to hear. Incidentally, there's another recording with anti-aircraft fire in the distance - Wanda Landowska's of the Scarlatti sonata in D, Kk 490, made in 1940. She was recording a second volume for EMI's Scarlat...
by John F
Sun Sep 15, 2019 1:01 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Pianist Jan Lisiecki's new Beethoven concertos cd set
Replies: 16
Views: 1038

Re: Pianist Jan Lisiecki's new Beethoven concertos cd set

This is one of my pet peeves, and not just with Lance's listing: to exclude important pianists and exceptional performances merely because the pianist did not record the composer's complete works in the genre. It may be convenient but I think that's usually all it is. For example, William Kapell rec...
by John F
Sat Sep 14, 2019 8:53 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Pianist Jan Lisiecki's new Beethoven concertos cd set
Replies: 16
Views: 1038

Re: Pianist Jan Lisiecki's new Beethoven concertos cd set

I see that Lance doesn't mention Walter Gieseking, who recorded the Beethoven concertos more than once. But I wouldn't recommend the ones I've heard, including the 4th concerto with Böhn which my parents had and which taught me the music. Gieseking never made an ugly sound at the keyboard, not that ...
by John F
Sat Sep 14, 2019 12:40 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Richard Conrad, Briefly a Bel Canto Star, Dies at 84
Replies: 2
Views: 380

Re: Richard Conrad, Briefly a Bel Canto Star, Dies at 84

Besides G&S, the Boston Academy also performed Sullivan's opera "Ivanhoe," its American premiere, with cuts but still complete enough to assess the piece. Apart from a few numbers ("Jolly Jenkin") I heard very little that I'd want to hear again - nothing bad about the piece but it's as dull as can b...
by John F
Fri Sep 13, 2019 2:44 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Here We Go Again
Replies: 1
Views: 296

Re: Here We Go Again

Bancroft, still in his 20s, apparently hasn't much professional experience; he won the Malko competition only last year. The BBC National Orchestra of Wales is not at all a prestige position even among the BBC's five radio orchestras. And I see from their web site that they have extended the contrac...
by John F
Fri Sep 13, 2019 10:56 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Pianist Jan Lisiecki's new Beethoven concertos cd set
Replies: 16
Views: 1038

Re: Pianist Jan Lisiecki's new Beethoven concertos cd set

He's all of 24, yet DG of all labels has recorded him in not one but all five of the concertos. Well, at lest they saved the cost of a conductor's fee.
by John F
Fri Sep 13, 2019 3:02 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Lyric Opera of Chicago Mazzola Will Take Over
Replies: 3
Views: 426

Re: Lyric Opera of Chicago Mazzola Will Take Over

Chicago Lyric has never been a conductor's opera company. Their music/artistic director for 35 years was Bruno Bartoletti, followed by Andrew Davis who will have served for 21 years; they were competent and versatile but I don't know that anything more can be said about them. If anything, Enrique Ma...
by John F
Thu Sep 12, 2019 2:14 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Your changing musical tastes
Replies: 75
Views: 7989

Re: Your changing musical tastes

Here's another early Romantic/late Classical piece that I was startled by when I first heard it, back in college in a recording by Fernand Oubradous. It was composed in Haydn's lifetime but you'd never know it: Etienne Méhul's Symphony No. 2. LyyesKxvd9s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LyyesKxvd9s T...
by John F
Thu Sep 12, 2019 5:59 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Dolora Zajick to retire
Replies: 2
Views: 414

Dolora Zajick to retire

Mezzo Dolora Zajick Announces Plans to Retire From Opera Stage Following 2020 Met Performances September 5, 2019 DOLORA ZAJICK, who over the span of a forty-year career has established herself as one of the most distinctive voices in opera and a preeminent dramatic Verdi mezzo-soprano, has announced...
by John F
Wed Sep 11, 2019 9:41 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Your changing musical tastes
Replies: 75
Views: 7989

Re: Your changing musical tastes

Speaking of early Romantic piano concertos, I've long enjoyed Weber's two concertos, especially no. 2. Weber's Konzertstück for piano and orchestra is fairly well known but the concertos are real rarities. Malcolm Frager played and recorded them in the early 1970s and played the second with the New ...
by John F
Wed Sep 11, 2019 11:26 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Your changing musical tastes
Replies: 75
Views: 7989

Re: Your changing musical tastes

Hummel's six mature piano sonatas are also well worth hearing. It's not Chopin they somewhat anticipate but early Beethoven, while recalling Hummel's teacher Mozart. He also composed three superb string quartets, one of which was recorded by the Hollywood String Quartet. Here it is: DqscCuyoVgY http...