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by MartinPh
Tue Dec 20, 2005 9:19 am
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox August 2005 to May 31, 2006
Topic: Your Pick: Rimsky's SCHEHERAZADE
Replies: 24
Views: 8122

Mackerras on Telarc.
by MartinPh
Wed Dec 14, 2005 9:32 am
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox August 2005 to May 31, 2006
Topic: Embarrassing moments viewed or experienced
Replies: 16
Views: 4466

Matt Haimovitz playing the Britten Suites, and refusing to use a belt or something to put his cello pin in. So that at every climax when the playing got intense, his instrument slipped away and he had to perform a kind of sit-down ballet to keep on playing (which he actually managed!). During the in...
by MartinPh
Wed Dec 14, 2005 9:25 am
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox August 2005 to May 31, 2006
Topic: Music you've never been able to "get".
Replies: 109
Views: 35846

I listened to a complete piece by Boulez for the first time yesterday night. Marteau sans Maitre. Well: I don't get it. Why all the trouble of writing something so complicated that it ends up sounding random? All these disconnected phrases... If there is no melody, no harmony that means anything to ...
by MartinPh
Sat Nov 26, 2005 2:18 pm
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox August 2005 to May 31, 2006
Topic: Pelleas et Melisande
Replies: 18
Views: 9410

I'm so glad that you mention Dutoit. And today I heard the 1980 Dutoit recording of Ravel's Daphnis et Chloe. I don't believe that any better version could exist. I never heard Dutoit in Daphnis et Chloé. But I heard Munch with Boston and Cluytens with NFO and I doubt that Dutoit - not a great cond...
by MartinPh
Sat Nov 12, 2005 10:54 am
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox August 2005 to May 31, 2006
Topic: The Ring Cycle
Replies: 48
Views: 14701

You mean Italian-form opera is about singing. Wagnerian opera is decidedly not -- not by a long shot. No, I mean opera is about singing. If it weren't about singing, the composers would have written something else. You can quibble about what place the singing holds in different composers estimation...
by MartinPh
Sat Nov 12, 2005 10:34 am
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox August 2005 to May 31, 2006
Topic: Pelleas et Melisande
Replies: 18
Views: 9410

Pelleas is just gorgeous, and very moving towards the end. I love the recordings by Abbado and by Dutoit. And do agree that there is little point in listening to something so fragile and exquisite if the sound is not top-notch. (I own a version by Haitink which was recorded live in Paris, where the ...
by MartinPh
Sat Nov 12, 2005 10:30 am
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox August 2005 to May 31, 2006
Topic: Philip Glass
Replies: 11
Views: 3732

In my experience, Glass's music is more diverse and at times more complex than the anti-minimalists will have it. Works like Akhnaten, the Third Symphony or Hydrogen Jukebox are all in their own way moving and powerful music, expertly crafted and highly compelling. It is true, though, that he has pr...
by MartinPh
Sat Nov 05, 2005 5:19 am
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox August 2005 to May 31, 2006
Topic: Learning orchestration
Replies: 7
Views: 3239

I am very pleased with Piston's Orchestration, which is concise, practical and more up-to-date than the Berlioz/Strauss or the R-K (fascinating and useful as those are in their own right - and you only need to look through a handful of orchestral scores on a site like sibeliusmusic.com to find that ...
by MartinPh
Wed Nov 02, 2005 7:30 am
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox August 2005 to May 31, 2006
Topic: The greatest underrated works
Replies: 54
Views: 19108

Josef Suk, the Asrael Symphony; as great as anything by Mahler

I second the vote for Rilke's Cornet: incredibly intense, heart rending music.

Enescu's 3rd orchestral suite, "Villageoise", which has possibly the most beautiful opening I know of any piece of music.
by MartinPh
Sat Oct 29, 2005 11:16 am
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox August 2005 to May 31, 2006
Topic: First Pick: Brahms Symphonies
Replies: 43
Views: 13031

"Crispy Brahms", you say? For some great "crispy" Brahms, try these delicious supplements to the symphonies: Serenades: No. 1 in D Major, No. 2 in A Major. London Symphony Orchestra / István Kertész. I also have recordings by Stokowski in No. 1, and Toscanini in No. 2. Delightful works, and very cr...
by MartinPh
Sat Oct 29, 2005 11:06 am
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox August 2005 to May 31, 2006
Topic: Bax recommendations?
Replies: 10
Views: 3809

Quite right, jserraglio! It remains a mystery why some pieces are played to death, and others at least as appealing are rarely or never heard. The Rubbra Fourth is a sure hit with anybody who happens to hear it, and the Arnold Fifth might well be one of the ten greatest symphonies written in the 20t...
by MartinPh
Wed Oct 26, 2005 2:54 pm
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox August 2005 to May 31, 2006
Topic: Bax recommendations?
Replies: 10
Views: 3809

The Handley set is fantastic. Though the Thomson is impressive too, Handley has a stronger grip on structure, he has more sense of rythm, and he gets more transparant sound. The Loydd-Jones versions, though not at all bad, lack sufficient weight, IMHO. Nrs. 3, 4 and 2 are my favourites, in that order.
by MartinPh
Sun Oct 23, 2005 5:43 am
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox August 2005 to May 31, 2006
Topic: First Pick: Bruckner's Symphony #7 in E [1881-3]
Replies: 25
Views: 6983

On disc, my favourites are Karajan with the VPO (1989, DG) and Chailly with the RSO Berlin (Decca). Live, I once heard a performance at the Amsterdam Concertgebouw conducted by Herreweghe, which blew me away: the clarity and transparancy were unbelievable. For once you could hear throughout what a t...
by MartinPh
Sun Oct 23, 2005 5:35 am
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox August 2005 to May 31, 2006
Topic: The Mahler 6 Controversy
Replies: 15
Views: 4947

Seeing that with CD-players you can even play Mahler 6 (or any other work) with the Finale first if you like, this seems a non-issue to me where recordings are concerned. And in concert? Well, Mahler changed his mind several times regarding the order of these movements, which in itself seems to show...
by MartinPh
Sat Oct 22, 2005 10:55 am
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox August 2005 to May 31, 2006
Topic: First Pick: Bach's Cello Suites
Replies: 22
Views: 6904

Wispelwey, first and foremost. The Fournier is impressive too, but a but sterile to my taste. Rostropovich I personally find unbearable in this repertoire.
by MartinPh
Wed Oct 12, 2005 4:46 am
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox August 2005 to May 31, 2006
Topic: First Pick: Brahms Symphonies
Replies: 43
Views: 13031

As a set, the best I know is Berglund with the Chamber Orchestra of Europe. Crisp, unstuffy, exciting, and incredibly beautiful.

I also have a weak spot for the Bernstein 4 on DG.
by MartinPh
Wed Oct 05, 2005 2:54 am
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox August 2005 to May 31, 2006
Topic: Headphones: A Close Friend Needs Advice
Replies: 10
Views: 5213

I very recently got the Sennheiser HD 650, which is very good, though not quite as comfortable to wear as the Sony CD1700 I had before that. This is the text of my review of it on Amazon: As a lover of classical music I am a confirmed headphone listener. No set of speakers will offer the same amount...
by MartinPh
Sun Sep 25, 2005 4:30 am
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox August 2005 to May 31, 2006
Topic: What are you practicing/playing right now?
Replies: 15
Views: 5828

Cello here... Working on Mendelssohn's first Sonata, and the prelude from the Third Bach suite. With Martinu's Pastorales thrown in for relaxation. With my orchestra we're rehearsing Mendelssohn's stunningly beautiful Psalm-setting 'Verleih uns Frieden', which has gorgeous parts for divided cellos t...
by MartinPh
Sat Sep 24, 2005 2:12 am
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox August 2005 to May 31, 2006
Topic: Bloopers in Music
Replies: 67
Views: 22143

We had some good laughs in a record store in Beijing, which offered an impressive range of classical CDs with misspelt composer names, such as "The greatest works" of Ludwing van Beenthoven, and "Famous Waltzes" by John Starus. (Meanwhile I did take home a, no doubt highly illegal, copy of Rostropov...
by MartinPh
Sat Sep 24, 2005 2:01 am
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox August 2005 to May 31, 2006
Topic: First Pick: Mahler Symphonies
Replies: 51
Views: 14624

#1: Bernstein, DG; Chailly, Decca #2: Kaplan (his first recording, not the VPO remake) #3: Chailly, Decca #4: Maazel, Sony #5: Chailly, Decca #6: Several good ones. Jansons, LSO Live; Bernstein, DG; Boulez, DG #7: Gielen, Hänssler #8: Rattle, EMI #9: Zander, Telarc #10 (Cooke version): Chailly, Decc...
by MartinPh
Sun Sep 04, 2005 3:44 am
Forum: ARCHIVED: Corner Pub August 2005 to May 31, 2006
Topic: New Orleans: Doing What We Can
Replies: 123
Views: 31833

Do I know how to (however unintentionally) excite a hysterical response, or what? Bravo, Herman. This kind of respons is sure proof that somebody is out of sound arguments. In the end, no country can truly defend itself against overwhelming natural disasters - but looking at the events in New Orlea...
by MartinPh
Sat Aug 20, 2005 12:44 pm
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox August 2005 to May 31, 2006
Topic: Playing it all wrong but getting it right!
Replies: 25
Views: 10652

I don't agree with Martin's notion that, paraphrasing him, performers are unimportant. . I wouldn't venture to say they are unimportant - they are pretty essential if we want to hear the music. But I prefer them to work in service of the composer, rather than having it the other way around, as so o...
by MartinPh
Sat Aug 20, 2005 3:49 am
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox August 2005 to May 31, 2006
Topic: Playing it all wrong but getting it right!
Replies: 25
Views: 10652

Re: Playing it all wrong but getting it right!

Can anyone think of other recorded performances that got it all wrong but are still right up there with the best? A contradiction in terms as far as I'm concerned. Generally, I don't care about conductors, soloists or vocalists as an end in themselves. I've always wondered about people who buy a ti...
by MartinPh
Tue Aug 16, 2005 7:30 am
Forum: ARCHIVED Classical Music Chatterbox March-August 05
Topic: John Adams Celebrates Hiroshima
Replies: 6
Views: 24057

Try this site for some impressions: http://www.doctor-atomic.com/production.html There are some midifiles with "previews" of fragments. Sounds interesting, though since On the Transmigration etc., which was a complete dud IMHO, I have lost some of my confidence in this composer. I"ll just wait and s...
by MartinPh
Thu Aug 11, 2005 7:24 am
Forum: ARCHIVED Classical Music Chatterbox March-August 05
Topic: Your Pick!: Franck's D Minor
Replies: 20
Views: 14786

Mengelberg does the same in the pre-hi-fi era--where the "ummph" relies even more on interp than on sonic splendor. Dirk In my view, interpretation and "sonic splendor" are very much two sides of the same medal. The idea that you can experience much of the former without having the latter seems to ...
by MartinPh
Wed Aug 10, 2005 7:12 am
Forum: ARCHIVED Classical Music Chatterbox March-August 05
Topic: Your Pick!: Franck's D Minor
Replies: 20
Views: 14786

Your opinion and you’re welcome to it. Personally I don’t like it one bit. The Faure Requiem is not lacking for good performances on CD, start with Cluytens and Boulanger for openers. Peter Schenkman And you are welcome to your opinion. Personally I tend to avoid early fifities mono recordings like...
by MartinPh
Wed Aug 10, 2005 2:28 am
Forum: ARCHIVED Classical Music Chatterbox March-August 05
Topic: Your Pick!: Franck's D Minor
Replies: 20
Views: 14786

Personally I would avoid “Herreweghe's, on period instruments” like the proverbial plague. Peter Schenkman That's interesting. Why? It is involving, elegant, has wonderful transparancy (which this music so direly needs) and is beautifully played. And it comes coupled with one of the very few tolera...
by MartinPh
Tue Aug 09, 2005 7:38 am
Forum: ARCHIVED Classical Music Chatterbox March-August 05
Topic: Classical music lovers and historic recordings
Replies: 34
Views: 18467

Since I grew up listening to punk rock nostalgia cannot be the reason I prefer old style playing and interpretation - when classical music was still the living musical tradition. Modern orchestras and soloists rarely interest me (Andnes I enjoy), but occasionally an oldie recording today is magnifi...
by MartinPh
Tue Aug 09, 2005 7:19 am
Forum: ARCHIVED Classical Music Chatterbox March-August 05
Topic: Your Pick!: Franck's D Minor
Replies: 20
Views: 14786

I find it an intensely boring piece. The only performance I 've yet found that can make me sit through it, is Herreweghe's, on period instruments.
by MartinPh
Tue Aug 09, 2005 7:10 am
Forum: ARCHIVED Classical Music Chatterbox March-August 05
Topic: BBC Music vs. Gramophone vs. many others.
Replies: 14
Views: 11316

I've been reading Gramophone for about ten years now, and am still enjoying it. They seem to have the widest scope, good background articles, and fairly reliable reviews generally. I am bothered by a certain chauvinism (a persistent pro-Rattle brigade, for instance), but no matter where you look, mu...
by MartinPh
Wed Aug 03, 2005 5:34 am
Forum: ARCHIVED Classical Music Chatterbox March-August 05
Topic: Classical music lovers and historic recordings
Replies: 34
Views: 18467

Classical music lovers and historic recordings

I was browsing through the "too many recordings" thread, and there I noticed it again: collectors of classical music seem obsessed with recordings over 50 or 60 years old. Why??? Apparently the music making in these days was of such unmatched sublimity that it's worth throwing half a century of spec...
by MartinPh
Tue Aug 02, 2005 5:03 am
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox August 2005 to May 31, 2006
Topic: The Greatest Under-rated Composers
Replies: 89
Views: 50802

Georges Enescu. The opening bars of his third orchestral suite (Villageoise) alone show him to be a genius. And then there's three mindblowing symphonies, Edipe, probably one of the ten greatest opera's written in the 20th century, "Vox maris", and the octet (which he wrote when he was only 19!). An...
by MartinPh
Mon Jul 25, 2005 7:30 am
Forum: ARCHIVED Corner Pub March-August 05
Topic: War and peace and Islam
Replies: 62
Views: 25131

I would say Iraq and Afghanistan are remarkable examples of how much progress can be made in a short time under difficult conditions. I didn’t expect them to have achieved so much so soon. That it will take time to accomplish doesn’t mean it should not be done. You underestimate them; they are huma...
by MartinPh
Sat Jul 23, 2005 6:36 am
Forum: ARCHIVED Corner Pub March-August 05
Topic: War and peace and Islam
Replies: 62
Views: 25131

There are three things that are going to have to happen to solve this problem for good: 1. Repressive regimes must be replaced with democratic governments and more liberal economies so that citizens of Muslim countries have other things to occupy themselves with than nutty grievances. Irish terrori...
by MartinPh
Sat Jul 23, 2005 6:10 am
Forum: ARCHIVED Classical Music Chatterbox March-August 05
Topic: A Clarion Cry: Abandon the Past!!!!!
Replies: 90
Views: 36017

I think we agree the distinction is not a simple one; there are a lot of grey areas. Andriessen used the cathedral floorplan construct in De Materie, and it works fine musically. Just as Bach's music is full of mathematics and works fine too (well, there's the understatement of the century...). Andr...
by MartinPh
Fri Jul 22, 2005 3:44 am
Forum: ARCHIVED Corner Pub March-August 05
Topic: War and peace and Islam
Replies: 62
Views: 25131

Islamic extremism isn't a world-wide movement. It represents the actions of a very small minority among muslims, though unfortunately one that is extremely vicious and ('war on terror' or not) apparently still very well organized. I agree that any form of organized religion is a sure recipe for mise...
by MartinPh
Fri Jul 22, 2005 3:36 am
Forum: ARCHIVED Classical Music Chatterbox March-August 05
Topic: A Clarion Cry: Abandon the Past!!!!!
Replies: 90
Views: 36017

Who says the Glass and Reich are the world's only two living composers? Or that what they are doing is necessarily "the state of the art"? Don't go by where the Dutch spend their music money :-) I don't know what that is supposed to mean. I would wager though that Glass, Reich and the like had at l...
by MartinPh
Wed Jul 20, 2005 2:26 am
Forum: ARCHIVED Classical Music Chatterbox March-August 05
Topic: A Clarion Cry: Abandon the Past!!!!!
Replies: 90
Views: 36017

In addition, it seems to me that the whole idea that if 'classical' or 'serious' music were different or were presented differently, a whole pop-audience would potentially be interested in it, is a fallacy. Ever since the advent of serious music as we know it (ie., more or less, since Beethoven) , m...
by MartinPh
Sun Jul 17, 2005 5:53 am
Forum: ARCHIVED Corner Pub March-August 05
Topic: As Muslims call Europe home, isolation takes root
Replies: 4
Views: 3760

I don't know if Europeans got their idea of Texas from 'Dallas' reruns, as Corlyss's signature says - but I'm sure I don't know where Americans get their ideas of Europe. The things I read here are quite ridiculously dramatized. Yes, we have our problems, but so does the US. I think neither of us ar...
by MartinPh
Sun Jul 17, 2005 5:31 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: What are you listening to?
Replies: 2843
Views: 663816

Bruckner Symphony No. 88, BPO, Von Karajan. Ralp, please don't tell me I missed out on 79 Bruckner symphonies???!! How could that happen? Meanwhile, listening intensively to Vaughan Williams's 6th symphony, the Andrew Davis and Bernard Haitink recordings, after a friend gave me the full score as a ...
by MartinPh
Sun Jul 17, 2005 5:24 am
Forum: ARCHIVED Classical Music Chatterbox March-August 05
Topic: Best recording of Mahler Fifth?
Replies: 26
Views: 19540

Still quite happy with Bernstein/VPO, though, this being my least favourite Mahler, I have no very strong opinions on it. It was interesting to see how Gramophone made a 180 degree turn on its initial highly favourable opinion of this recording in their latest issue. Goes to show what a strange phen...
by MartinPh
Sat Jul 02, 2005 3:58 am
Forum: ARCHIVED Classical Music Chatterbox March-August 05
Topic: What is the greatest musical composition?
Replies: 60
Views: 16198

An impossible question, indeed. I can't even answer the question which is Beethoven's greatest symphony. Judged by impact on musical history, it would be the Third. Judged by stylistic and musical cohesion, probably the Seventh. Judged by innovation of form, the Ninth. Judged by popularity, the Fift...
by MartinPh
Sat Jun 04, 2005 4:55 am
Forum: ARCHIVED Corner Pub March-August 05
Topic: EU Constitution Vote
Replies: 89
Views: 10760

I read an interesting interview in my newspaper today, with Loïc Wacquant, professor of sociology at Berkeley. If, he says, you choose to deregulate economy and do away with the welfare state, the state becomes in effect powerless to do anything for its citizens. So why would citizens want to go and...
by MartinPh
Tue May 31, 2005 12:21 pm
Forum: ARCHIVED Corner Pub March-August 05
Topic: EU Constitution Vote
Replies: 89
Views: 10760

The vote in France, and the email from Ralph's friend, suggest that they don't get it yet. I wonder if they are really prepared to be passed by so dramatically by the US, Japan, India and China. These dreams of becoming a "world power" to stand up against the US are looking for and more like a tota...
by MartinPh
Sun May 29, 2005 3:09 am
Forum: ARCHIVED Corner Pub March-August 05
Topic: EU Constitution Vote
Replies: 89
Views: 10760

Exactly how many freedom-loving, democratic, prosperous, free-trading, transparently-governed, peaceful nations has "ayatollah Bush" invaded in the last 4 years? Just exactly what would a "powerful European president stand up" for , if he existed and if he arrayed himself and Europe against Bush an...
by MartinPh
Sat May 28, 2005 2:52 pm
Forum: ARCHIVED Classical Music Chatterbox March-August 05
Topic: Gielen Mahler Set
Replies: 18
Views: 6154

I'm only familiair with the Gielen/Haenssler 8th. I don't find it particularly impressive or special in any way; just a decent, middle of the road reading.
by MartinPh
Sat May 28, 2005 4:17 am
Forum: ARCHIVED Corner Pub March-August 05
Topic: EU Constitution Vote
Replies: 89
Views: 10760

Listening to our prime minister these days, I'm expecting to enter the booth next Wednesday only to find that the machine has just got a single Yes button. It seems a bit silly to organize a referendum and then tell everybody that there really is only one voting option... Meanwhile I'm saddened to f...
by MartinPh
Sat May 28, 2005 3:58 am
Forum: ARCHIVED Classical Music Chatterbox March-August 05
Topic: Sad Classical Music?
Replies: 28
Views: 9985

Interesting, to see people mention pieces that I personally do not find sad at all. Mahler VI/3 and Schoenberg's Verklärte Nacht I find positively uplifting. And I yet have to discover the first glimpse of true emotion in any of Britten's works - his Violin Concerto may be the one exception. At time...
by MartinPh
Sat May 28, 2005 3:42 am
Forum: ARCHIVED Classical Music Chatterbox March-August 05
Topic: Berlioz' Grande Messe de morts = bleh
Replies: 21
Views: 6309

I agree with Karl. If you look at the texts of the Requiem, it is obvious that the purpose is anything but to offer comfort. It is a stark reminder of the futility and transience of life, and the judgment that awaits; its only comfort is in its prayers for peaceful rest. It was Fauré who in fact mut...
by MartinPh
Wed May 25, 2005 9:55 am
Forum: ARCHIVED Classical Music Chatterbox March-August 05
Topic: Chailly Mahler Box Set
Replies: 63
Views: 14503

Herman, I'm not familiair with Bernstein's Berlin 9th. In general, I tend to be wary of live recordings. The end of the Amsterdam 9th is simply destroyed by lots of extraneous noise. My favourite Ninth remains Zander's. Pesek is extremely impressive, too. I also have the non-digital vonK, but I find...