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by greymouse
Fri Jun 15, 2007 3:22 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: His music sounds better than it is
Replies: 52
Views: 6727

I agree with all here and think jbuck is right to go against the grain on this one. Saint-Saens' music seems very high quality. He seems to have a reputation as almost like classical-pops or something, but well crafted music deserves another shot.
by greymouse
Tue Jun 12, 2007 4:40 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Don't Act Out if You Don't Like the Music
Replies: 104
Views: 17812

These morons would never behave like this if they did not think everyone else would go along with them. They should be confronted and publically humiliated in my opinion. It won't work. These people are so indignant they're impervious to humiliation, or reason, for that matter. In the one incident ...
by greymouse
Mon Jun 11, 2007 12:39 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Don't Act Out if You Don't Like the Music
Replies: 104
Views: 17812

I wish I could say I've never seen audience members behave like this before; it does ruin it for the people who actually pay to hear things they want to hear.
by greymouse
Fri May 11, 2007 3:38 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Stravinsky: 20th Century Master
Replies: 27
Views: 5366

No, you found my sources! :oops: Igor's name is perfect for anagram action.
by greymouse
Fri May 11, 2007 3:18 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Stravinsky: 20th Century Master
Replies: 27
Views: 5366

BWV 1080 wrote:Suspiciously, if I rearrange the letters of Igor Stravinsky I come up with:

satin is grrovky

Which is Russian for "Satan is Groovy"
risks no gravity
ivory kings star
inks arty vigors
vary groin skits
vast rosy irking
stork say virgin
sorry at vikings
try asking visor
so vary striking

:twisted:
by greymouse
Wed Apr 25, 2007 9:47 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Erik Satie: Yay or Nay?
Replies: 18
Views: 4459

jbuck919 wrote:
greymouse wrote:I think Satie is a bit much for me.
I certainly hope you mean a bit too little. Now excuse me while I go out and try to find a nightingale with a toothache in upstate New York.
My tooth aches, and a drowsy numbness pains
my ears
by greymouse
Wed Apr 25, 2007 9:32 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Erik Satie: Yay or Nay?
Replies: 18
Views: 4459

But if one ones to listen to all five CDs, say, in Thibaudet's Decca set, in ONE sitting - I can promise ... you will go bananas! :lol: Pretty much. I think that's what I did once. I listened to a couple Satie CDs in a row, and I thought someone took an egg scrambler to my brain. It kind of goes ag...
by greymouse
Wed Apr 25, 2007 8:59 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Erik Satie: Yay or Nay?
Replies: 18
Views: 4459

I think Satie is a bit much for me. It's like quirky-overload when I listen to his piano music. I like my musical humor in smaller doses. He takes too much of the drama out of the music and doesn't leave much emotional variety. Many composers associated with him such as the French school or the impr...
by greymouse
Wed Apr 25, 2007 8:53 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: John Adams is an Optimist
Replies: 7
Views: 2307

Greymouse, if you like Adams, that should suffice, but since you ask, and at the risk of spoiling your fun, I'll say my biggest impression is that there's a lot of effort with very little payoff. That is, all those people are playing all those notes and making a lot of big pretty sounds, but none o...
by greymouse
Wed Apr 25, 2007 8:32 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: John Adams is an Optimist
Replies: 7
Views: 2307

I've never liked John Adams' music, but after reading what he had to say about contemporary music and young composers, I will never ever say anything bad about him again. I swear it. Given the bad attitude I have about his music, I would not have expected him to speak so sensibly about it all. How ...
by greymouse
Tue Feb 13, 2007 1:11 pm
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox May 2006 to Feb 26 2007
Topic: Big time Brain teaser...
Replies: 8
Views: 6001

The eccentric avant garde rock album Trout Mask Replica by Captain Beefheart contains some elements from 20th century classical music. I think it was released 1969. Most noticeably the song "Moonlight on Vermont" lyrics repeat "Come out to show 'dem" several times in imitation of Reich's tape loops....
by greymouse
Tue Feb 13, 2007 11:00 am
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox May 2006 to Feb 26 2007
Topic: Richard Strauss (1864-1949)
Replies: 35
Views: 45340

Thanks for the listening recommendations everyone! I want to broaden my understanding of Strauss. Do Liszt's "Mazeppa", "Tasso" and "Les Prèludes" do that for you too? No, not at all. I love his tone poems and especially Mazeppa is so charming. Maybe the heavy orchestration of Strauss is too much fo...
by greymouse
Mon Feb 12, 2007 1:05 pm
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox May 2006 to Feb 26 2007
Topic: Richard Strauss (1864-1949)
Replies: 35
Views: 45340

I have trouble with Strauss. I find his works completely overwhelming, and I want to go crazy listening to them. I have only listened to his most famous pieces, so I'm referring to things like Zarathustra, Till Eulenspiegel, Don Quixote, Der Rosenkavalier, etc. I think with Reiner conducting, it mak...
by greymouse
Thu Feb 01, 2007 11:17 am
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox May 2006 to Feb 26 2007
Topic: Prodigies and late bloomers
Replies: 24
Views: 12868

Even the great prodigies don't usually create their masterpieces until they've paid their dues. With Mozart, you can hear a gradual stretching of his own horizons. Pushing himself and improving his technique until the last few years of his life when his work was flawless. So some of it may just be t...
by greymouse
Thu Jan 25, 2007 11:19 am
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox May 2006 to Feb 26 2007
Topic: my first post = question #1 :)
Replies: 27
Views: 13095

Nashvillebill is so right about those recommedations. Another excellent choice is Steve Reich - particularly the phase music. His phase music (taking two tape loops of the same music and slowly phasing them away from eachother) was extremely influential on electronic music.
by greymouse
Fri Jan 12, 2007 1:40 pm
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox May 2006 to Feb 26 2007
Topic: Fascinating Schism - George Gershwin
Replies: 10
Views: 4301

. . . every composer of the past who had added anything vital to music had been a well-trained musician and . . . the native talent which can be killed by study must be too frail to amount to much. Thanks Karl. That's a fascinating comment actually! It confirms in my mind that Gershwin really ought...
by greymouse
Thu Jan 11, 2007 10:28 am
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox May 2006 to Feb 26 2007
Topic: If I Like His Music, Must I Like Its Composer?
Replies: 15
Views: 6606

I don't agree with dulcinea's acquaintance. I think the reason people prefer dead composers is because at this point in time their style is more popular among classical audiences. There's been controversy in accepting many of the strands in the 20th century, but pre-20th century is more widely embra...
by greymouse
Tue Jan 09, 2007 10:15 am
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox May 2006 to Feb 26 2007
Topic: Repeats. Why or why not?
Replies: 13
Views: 8393

I consider this an incredibly frustrating aspect of performing - repeats in sonata form. When the music that’s repeated is just a beginning section in a larger piece, then the themes/motifs in the repeated section often will be used as a source for “development” so maybe the composer wants the liste...
by greymouse
Mon Jan 08, 2007 10:23 am
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox May 2006 to Feb 26 2007
Topic: When did classical music begin?
Replies: 11
Views: 4185

I think classical music never really began but just evolved into existence. I agree with the posts above that Gregorian chant counts, but to the average person on the street they would most likely only identify early 17th century and on as classical. Everything else would be labeled as "religious" o...
by greymouse
Mon Jan 08, 2007 10:12 am
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox May 2006 to Feb 26 2007
Topic: Interesting Cadence
Replies: 6
Views: 2286

I am guessing it has no name simply because it's so rare. Also in classical voice leading, it would be hard to put the two chords sequentially without getting parallel fifths, especially if the common tone is held. To me, it sounds like it would be a typical device for movie music or similar atmosph...
by greymouse
Tue Dec 26, 2006 2:57 pm
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox May 2006 to Feb 26 2007
Topic: Fascinating Schism - George Gershwin
Replies: 10
Views: 4301

It remains a mystery why so few other composers have even attempted such alchemy. I think many composers have attempted such alchemy and failed. I believe Gershwin was probably simply a musical genius, and that his talent was vastly greater than most of the composers of the era who he wanted to be ...
by greymouse
Tue Dec 26, 2006 2:38 pm
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox May 2006 to Feb 26 2007
Topic: Is "Eleanor Rigby" in the Dorian Mode?
Replies: 7
Views: 5716

Certainly the part "Ah, look at all the lonely people" is just straight minor key - C to Em. It's just that verse with all the C# in it. McCartney also does a lot of descending chromatic passages in many of his songs. With the part "All the lonely people, where do they all come from?" you have a des...
by greymouse
Tue Dec 26, 2006 2:33 pm
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox May 2006 to Feb 26 2007
Topic: Is "Eleanor Rigby" in the Dorian Mode?
Replies: 7
Views: 5716

Yes and no I'd say. Yes in the sense that it's a minor key with a raised sixth. But no in the sense that true Dorian mode requires all sorts of technical details that aren't present in the Beatles song. But in rock/pop music, people use the term Dorian more loosely so that it just means minor with a...
by greymouse
Tue Dec 26, 2006 2:07 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Respighi and Stravinsky--can you really love Stravinsky?
Replies: 146
Views: 86581

With Respighi, I'm only familiar with the Pines and it's very nice. I'd like to get acquainted with more. I don't know how Respighi felt about Stravinsky, but I can't imagine Stravinsky's tonal music being more colorful, gripping or daring than this (haven't heard his atonal works). I think with Str...
by greymouse
Wed Dec 20, 2006 2:02 pm
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox May 2006 to Feb 26 2007
Topic: Violin sonatas: a poll
Replies: 24
Views: 4856

Well, I would just hate to see NOBODY vote for Mr. Grieg! True. I voted for Mendelssohn but the Grieg sonatas are so charming. I actually prefer his more "immature" first and second sonatas because they feel more spontaneous and less dependent on the Beethoven/Brahms model. Beethoven really deserve...
by greymouse
Tue Dec 19, 2006 11:43 am
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox May 2006 to Feb 26 2007
Topic: Listen to Schoenberg's entire output online
Replies: 3
Views: 1877

This site is a great resource! Schoenberg ought to be studied less and listened to much much more. 8)
by greymouse
Mon Dec 18, 2006 10:00 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: What are you listening to?
Replies: 2843
Views: 598295

Messiaen - La Nativité du Seigneur for organ (played by Messiaen)
by greymouse
Mon Dec 11, 2006 3:06 pm
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox May 2006 to Feb 26 2007
Topic: If WAM Had Not Died at 35, ...
Replies: 37
Views: 6340

There's no doubt in my mind that Mozart would have written exceedingly beautiful music if he lived and composed another 10-20 years. I guess it would be better in general than most of his existing work. I think his late works are so great that he would have easily been able to handle the early 19th ...
by greymouse
Mon Dec 11, 2006 11:41 am
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox May 2006 to Feb 26 2007
Topic: Violin sonatas: a poll
Replies: 24
Views: 4856

Violin sonatas: a poll

When I refer to violin sonatas, I actually mean "sonatas for violin and piano" and in such compositions the two instruments usually behave as equals. What is it about violin sonatas that brings out the best in composers? Maybe it is the opportunity for light witty dialogue between the two instrument...
by greymouse
Wed Dec 06, 2006 2:44 pm
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox May 2006 to Feb 26 2007
Topic: Audiation
Replies: 4
Views: 1286

I think audiation sounds mysterious, but it's not. I think it just means hearing music in your head. Or imagining music. So everyone does it all the time. If someone says, "I have that stupid song stuck in my head," that is audiation. They hear the music although nothing is really vibrating. The con...
by greymouse
Mon Oct 30, 2006 10:29 am
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox May 2006 to Feb 26 2007
Topic: your favorite turn of the century composer?
Replies: 23
Views: 7103

I voted for Schoenberg, but this was a difficult one. It's really hard to categorize these composers in this way because there was such a profound cultural shift at the time that each composer sounds completely different.
by greymouse
Fri Oct 27, 2006 1:57 pm
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox May 2006 to Feb 26 2007
Topic: What Was Their Purpose?
Replies: 22
Views: 3445

In the case of Tchaikovsky's 6th, I can't imagine how it possibly could work with a different finale. The whole narrative of the symphony would be rendered pointless if the last movement were upbeat and the descending motif didn't prevail. The Brahms 4th finale is more subtle, since one could imagin...
by greymouse
Fri Oct 27, 2006 1:48 pm
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox May 2006 to Feb 26 2007
Topic: Greatest Austro-Germanic composer of High-Late Romanticism?
Replies: 113
Views: 18753

I voted for Brahms, and I think only Wagner or Mahler can come close. Schoenberg is more interesting than half the composers on this list.
by greymouse
Wed Oct 25, 2006 4:41 pm
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox May 2006 to Feb 26 2007
Topic: "Blind Spots"
Replies: 60
Views: 9604

But these conditions can not be said for one who has indeed given an honest, open, fair-minded listening experience to a composer. I don't agree with this because minds change with repeated listens and insights. Practically every Brahms piece I love now sounded like pointless choppy madness on my f...
by greymouse
Wed Oct 25, 2006 8:52 am
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox May 2006 to Feb 26 2007
Topic: "Blind Spots"
Replies: 60
Views: 9604

One of my blind spots is the composer Richard Strauss. While I can respect his craftsmanship and creativity on a cerebral level, I can't sit still listening to his music. I think it's gaudy. I'll keep listening, and if I can hear something in his music that I didn't notice before and it all clicks, ...
by greymouse
Mon Oct 16, 2006 10:25 am
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox May 2006 to Feb 26 2007
Topic: Music Vs. the other arts
Replies: 15
Views: 3206

I believe music is greater than the other arts, but I'm not sure why. Using reason alone, it doesn't seem like it should be. I believe music has much more emotional power than all the other arts combined, but maybe this is just my opinion. Using reason alone, I'd think poetry is the most powerful ar...
by greymouse
Fri Oct 13, 2006 10:04 am
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox May 2006 to Feb 26 2007
Topic: should we follow collective opinions or is our inner voice
Replies: 39
Views: 5740

It's a good question, and I agree with many of the answers already posted: we should do both. We ought to pay attention to the well reasoned opinion in case there's something we didn't think of. We should at least listen to worthwhile opinions and hear them out to make sure we're hearing all we can ...
by greymouse
Fri Oct 06, 2006 12:19 pm
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox May 2006 to Feb 26 2007
Topic: Happy Birthday KARL HENNING, Oct. 6!
Replies: 14
Views: 2634

Happy Birthday Karl. I hope this year is your best yet!
by greymouse
Wed Oct 04, 2006 2:32 pm
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox May 2006 to Feb 26 2007
Topic: Chess and Music
Replies: 11
Views: 2625

jbuck919 wrote:Yes, I believe the board was 12x12 and each row was colored differently. The rules were, you couln't land on a color until you had hit all other 11 first.
:lol: Now that would be an enjoyable game, although I would still prefer the Cage-influenced games that involve the rolling of dice.
by greymouse
Wed Oct 04, 2006 1:15 pm
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox May 2006 to Feb 26 2007
Topic: Chess and Music
Replies: 11
Views: 2625

I enjoy chess as well as classical music. I am a total patzer (USCF ~ 1600) but it is nevertheless a very enjoyable game to study. I think it is very similar to music. I believe Schoenberg enjoyed chess as well as card games and tried to develop his own variant of chess. The former chess champion Sm...
by greymouse
Tue Oct 03, 2006 5:21 pm
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox May 2006 to Feb 26 2007
Topic: Robert Schumann: Musical Rules for Home and Life
Replies: 7
Views: 2002

Maestro, thanks for posting this great list of rules. It is interesting to read Schumann's insights which seem like common sense, but are deep. I feel many of my mistakes being corrected while reading these - almost like a master standing over me while I play a piece. I have read many of these befor...
by greymouse
Tue Sep 26, 2006 1:54 pm
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox May 2006 to Feb 26 2007
Topic: Steve Reich vs. John Adams
Replies: 19
Views: 2797

I voted Adams; it was very easy for me. He is an incredible composer. I love Harmonielehre and the Chairman Dances. Basically, the two composers are similar in style but Adams seems infinitely more deep. I can listen to some Reich though.
by greymouse
Fri Sep 15, 2006 9:08 am
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox May 2006 to Feb 26 2007
Topic: Help me shatter my naive hope. Recording of Chopin himself?!
Replies: 17
Views: 3598

I was under the impression that there were existing piano rolls of famous pianists of the past, which is a bit different than recordings. Is that true that somebody could play, and a piano could be set up to punch out a roll with some dynamic sensitivity? btw, jbuck919, congrats on your 5000 landmar...
by greymouse
Fri Sep 08, 2006 3:54 pm
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox May 2006 to Feb 26 2007
Topic: Inspiration or Perspiration?
Replies: 13
Views: 2579

Well, how about Richard Wagner? I perceive him as being a bit weaker than his rivals in the raw musical aspects, but that he made up for it by having some clever ideas and then just working like a maniac, studying and practicing his musical and poetic technique nonstop for decades until he was able ...
by greymouse
Fri Sep 08, 2006 1:10 pm
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox May 2006 to Feb 26 2007
Topic: Inspiration or Perspiration?
Replies: 13
Views: 2579

Inspiration or Perspiration?

What made the great composers tick? Was it primarily inspiration (hard-wired talent, passion, intuition) or perspiration (hard study, dedication, working through the pain)? Now I know in asking this that all the great composers had both qualities in a great degree. Nevertheless, are there any notabl...
by greymouse
Fri Sep 08, 2006 12:14 pm
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox May 2006 to Feb 26 2007
Topic: This Pope's Gonna Bring Gregorian Chant Back!
Replies: 25
Views: 6280

There is nothing simple about it. I meant simple as in simple in texture or purpose. Yes, it is notoriously difficult to perform, much less to perform well. But given a choice between beautiful music performed poorly or poor music performed beautifully, I will invariably choose the former. Great mu...
by greymouse
Fri Sep 08, 2006 10:18 am
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox May 2006 to Feb 26 2007
Topic: This Pope's Gonna Bring Gregorian Chant Back!
Replies: 25
Views: 6280

Ah ... what a refreshing article. Any attempt to bring back Gregorian chant into widespread liturgical use will be greatly rewarded I believe. The whole recent attempt in the Church in the last few decades (and this really applies to all major denominations) to "reach out" to people more with music ...
by greymouse
Tue Aug 22, 2006 12:19 pm
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox May 2006 to Feb 26 2007
Topic: On Chopin...
Replies: 38
Views: 6099

I believe that writing exclusively for piano has a small effect on a composer's greatness, since it denies him the flexibility and expressive possibilities of a wider tone palette. However, it's just one thing to consider. Since Chopin did so much for the piano and he's so listenable, he's still a m...
by greymouse
Tue Aug 22, 2006 9:46 am
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox May 2006 to Feb 26 2007
Topic: my first post = question #1 :)
Replies: 27
Views: 13095

You know, it occurs to me Paco ... While I just said counterpoint in the style of Bach is fiercely technical and complicated to learn (it is), I should also add that it is based on very simple concepts that you probably already know. In fact most polyphonic classical music is based on some easy conc...
by greymouse
Tue Aug 22, 2006 9:12 am
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox May 2006 to Feb 26 2007
Topic: my first post = question #1 :)
Replies: 27
Views: 13095

... I’m not sure how or if a good understanding of polyphonic (or fugue) would help my mixing. Of course learning it would take a long time which is no problem as long as I know it will help Hi Paco! I don't know anything about mixing, but I know some dj's and they often look to other styles of mus...