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by paulb
Tue Oct 24, 2006 3:30 pm
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox May 2006 to Feb 26 2007
Topic: Each country's finest composer
Replies: 129
Views: 17368

Re: Each country's finest composer

However I cannot give miss russia the privlidge of being the source Schnittke's creativity. It was russia who murdered Schnittke, and this crime took place post Stalin. Even then she was still killing her greatest artists. The blood is on her hands . Thus Schnittke was germany's greatest composer. ...
by paulb
Tue Oct 24, 2006 2:34 pm
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox May 2006 to Feb 26 2007
Topic: Each country's finest composer
Replies: 129
Views: 17368

Re: Each country's finest composer

Germany: Schnittke And your list? please add other countries. Schnittke German? Well, maybe. Certainly, his DNA was mostly German, and he lived the last years of his life in Germany, but here's some of what his publisher said about him... Alfred Schnittke was born on 24 November 1934 in Engels, on ...
by paulb
Tue Oct 24, 2006 2:23 pm
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Topic: Each country's finest composer
Replies: 129
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Karl one of the many reasons i felt the need to pose such a dubious question , was....trying to find my thoughts. I'll be frank, I've had some recommendations come my way last yr, and found the music to be far below any standard set by the graets who've gone before. And yet when i mention true maste...
by paulb
Tue Oct 24, 2006 1:51 pm
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Topic: Each country's finest composer
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Also, paulb, the lives of various composers and musicians are of less interest to me than the work that they produced. And isn't the Shakespseare quote, "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy." --From Hamlet (I, v, 166-167) Ah you've provided more...
by paulb
Tue Oct 24, 2006 1:40 pm
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Topic: Each country's finest composer
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I realize there are many here that have defrees in music, and are very knowledgeable, but I say to them what Hamlet said to Horatio...there's other things you don't know. And do not want to learn. Ah, yes. The eternal struggle between authority and passion. We camp outside the gates. But we need th...
by paulb
Tue Oct 24, 2006 11:18 am
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Topic: Each country's finest composer
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Sheesh...shall we just abolish the idea of "fun" entirely? :roll: -G Life isn't all fun. In fact there's more suffering than joy. Read some composers biographies. Many composers in my list were murdered in fact. At least 5 were. There's a great deal of truth about many composers lives that NO ONE W...
by paulb
Tue Oct 24, 2006 11:16 am
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox May 2006 to Feb 26 2007
Topic: Each country's finest composer
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Before I would even want to venture out on a limb, er list here, first of all WHICH Austria, WHICH Germany, WHICH Russia? What about the times when Poland or Hungary, for example, were not nations? At one time the Austrian empire included half of Europe. Yes good point. Did Shostakovich "come forth...
by paulb
Tue Oct 24, 2006 11:00 am
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox May 2006 to Feb 26 2007
Topic: Each country's finest composer
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IcedNote wrote:
Corlyss_D wrote:
Ralph wrote:And why not?
Because there are no musical gods named Copland. They are Bach, Mozart, Beethoven, and Brahms. See? No Copland.
No Chopin, either...just to clarify. :idea:

-G
Yes how could I:

Poland: Chopin(one day i plan to pick up some of his piano works...one day...)
by paulb
Tue Oct 24, 2006 10:56 am
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox May 2006 to Feb 26 2007
Topic: Each country's finest composer
Replies: 129
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Brazil: Villa-Lobos Paraguay: Agustín Barrios Mangoré Italy: Dallapiccola Russia: Scriabin USA: Barber France: Debussy Germany: R. Strauss Austria: Mahler Spain: Albeniz UK: Britten -G But man, look at your list. Not everything is a matter of personal taste. The greatest German composer R. Strauss ...
by paulb
Tue Oct 24, 2006 10:48 am
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox May 2006 to Feb 26 2007
Topic: Each country's finest composer
Replies: 129
Views: 17368

And why not? Because there are no musical gods named Copland. They are Bach, Mozart, Beethoven, and Brahms. See? No Copland. Sure---the "musical gods" could also be "Handel, Mozart, Beethoven, Schumann and Wagner". See? No Bach, Bruch or Brahms. Tschüß, Jack No wrong! I see you are not up on your r...
by paulb
Tue Oct 24, 2006 10:42 am
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Topic: Each country's finest composer
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I don't have enough listening experience to come up with any such list, but am happy to see names such as Dallapiccola, Byrd, Tallus, Lassus, Dowland, Berio, Lutislavski, etc. which I don't see mentioned everyday.... I believe that Paul wanted to leave Bach, Mozart, and Beethoven off the list becau...
by paulb
Tue Oct 24, 2006 10:33 am
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox May 2006 to Feb 26 2007
Topic: Each country's finest composer
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And why not? Because there are no musical gods named Copland. They are Bach, Mozart, Beethoven, and Brahms. See? No Copland. I overlooked your post. Yes, you see I had to pull Bach. Mozart, Beethoven out of the running, to make it a fair playing field for germany and austria. And yes Brahms indeed ...
by paulb
Mon Oct 23, 2006 11:31 pm
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Topic: Each country's finest composer
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How could I forget :roll:
Hungary: Bartok
by paulb
Mon Oct 23, 2006 5:48 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: What are you listening to?
Replies: 2843
Views: 583543

Now here's an oddity, Paul - and I imagine you must have googled it in the past - Schnittke is actually RUSSIAN! Born in Russia - but his father was born in Germany into a family of Russian background - but all I've ever heard of him is as a Russian composer. And as Schnittke - of whom I've heard s...
by paulb
Mon Oct 23, 2006 3:14 pm
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox May 2006 to Feb 26 2007
Topic: Each country's finest composer
Replies: 129
Views: 17368

Each country's finest composer

In your msot humble yet honest opinion, which composer from each country do you feel and believe is each country's greatest composer. To you PERSONALLY There is no right or wrong answer here, thsi is all about you as an INDIVIDUAL . Hey Karl, that individual thing yet once again OK here's my list:.....
by paulb
Mon Oct 23, 2006 2:37 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: What are you listening to?
Replies: 2843
Views: 583543

Rakhmaninov Symphony No. 3 in A Minor, Opus 44 Royal Liverpool Phil / Mackerras thats right karl, dust off that rach 3rd. If you got it, might as well hear it. Lets not allow the rach syms to fade away into oblivion. At least not before its time my oh my us moderns sure are a sarcastic bunch. We wo...
by paulb
Mon Oct 23, 2006 2:25 pm
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox May 2006 to Feb 26 2007
Topic: Works that you gain from listening to repeatedly....
Replies: 32
Views: 8553

IcedNote wrote:I'll keep it short as well:

Rachmaninoff - Vespers

Pure beauty.

-G
For over 20 yrs i loved this work, still do. But only once or 2X's a yr is OK.
Now its Schnittke's 2 sacred works...that gow on me, gow on me, grow.....more amd more...more...more....
You get the idea
by paulb
Mon Oct 23, 2006 8:10 am
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox May 2006 to Feb 26 2007
Topic: Hi, I'm new - also a question/request for music
Replies: 12
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Hi Matt, Paul here from Baton Rouge. I grew up on the british blues groups, John Mayall, Peter Green, Blind Faith, The Who, US groups like Derick and the Dominos, I left thr R&B scene over 25 yrs ago. Classical is where my heart is. 2 composers you may be interested. Put on your wish list Pettersson...
by paulb
Sun Oct 22, 2006 3:28 pm
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox May 2006 to Feb 26 2007
Topic: Works that you gain from listening to repeatedly....
Replies: 32
Views: 8553

You say you've heard them all , yet failed to mention the Kondrashin and Rozhdestvensky. I meant that I've heard all his symphonies, not all recordings of the Eighth . :wink: Sorry. I've yet to hear either of those you mention, but if you recommend them I'll have to search them out. (How many Eight...
by paulb
Sun Oct 22, 2006 12:11 pm
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox May 2006 to Feb 26 2007
Topic: Works that you gain from listening to repeatedly....
Replies: 32
Views: 8553

There's also the flip side to this repeated lsitening experience. Which works did you hear repeatable and felt it was time to say Adios, Good Bye, It was nice knowing you 8) ...lets see...Rimsky's Scheherazade (man what a tough one to spell). hope never to hear that "little gem" ever again in my lif...
by paulb
Sun Oct 22, 2006 9:59 am
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox May 2006 to Feb 26 2007
Topic: Works that you gain from listening to repeatedly....
Replies: 32
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Shostakovich - Symphony No. 8 This is simply the most powerful music I've ever experienced. Despite its obvious connotations, the music sends me where no music has done so before nor since, not even the more popular Shostakovich symphonies like his Fifth or Tenth - I've heard and own them all. What...
by paulb
Sun Oct 22, 2006 8:26 am
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox May 2006 to Feb 26 2007
Topic: American orchestras would make a mess of Pettersson
Replies: 95
Views: 11796

I should mention the artists on the P 2nd vc. Ida Haendel, a relatively unknown violinist, but she dedicated herself to this concerto, it was of great importance for her. The conductor on this 1988 Caprice release is Herbert Bloomstedt, who I consider to be somewhat up to the task, though really thi...
by paulb
Sun Oct 22, 2006 8:13 am
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox May 2006 to Feb 26 2007
Topic: American orchestras would make a mess of Pettersson
Replies: 95
Views: 11796

As far as the viola concerto , a 29 minute work and 2nd violin concerto, a 56 minute work, the 2 avaliable recordings ceratinly make a case, both are good. but as to the full potential of these works, we will have to await Yuri Bashmet and Gidon Kremer to make their recordings. For what reason neith...
by paulb
Sun Oct 22, 2006 6:29 am
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox May 2006 to Feb 26 2007
Topic: American orchestras would make a mess of Pettersson
Replies: 95
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I should mention of the 3 BIS releases, the 7/11 is easily attainable, there are many copies on amazon. For some reason, 8/10 is very hard to come by, and at the moment 3/15 is unavaliable. I have no idea whats going on with BIS on these 2 releases, but if you plan on cking out Pettersson as a futur...
by paulb
Sun Oct 22, 2006 6:14 am
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox May 2006 to Feb 26 2007
Topic: American orchestras would make a mess of Pettersson
Replies: 95
Views: 11796

I also welcome new recordings. In most cases. When I discover or re-new my interest in a known composer, I research all avaliable recordings. I've pretty much tried all recordings of my fav composers. Some I kept, others I sold off, or stored away to collect dust, as resell price is too low. Look ho...
by paulb
Sat Oct 21, 2006 9:22 pm
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox May 2006 to Feb 26 2007
Topic: American orchestras would make a mess of Pettersson
Replies: 95
Views: 11796

Lastly I would poltely request that the american orchestras, when they do decide to perform Pettersson, that they only take on any of the 2,3,4,5 syms. I would sincerely hope they refrain from the temptation of going into the 6,7(ESPECIALLY THE 7TH!!!!) ,8,9,, but also stay away from 10,11,13,14,15 ...
by paulb
Sat Oct 21, 2006 6:48 pm
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox May 2006 to Feb 26 2007
Topic: American orchestras would make a mess of Pettersson
Replies: 95
Views: 11796

Saphire, actually I'd suggest you hold on P til you really get to know other composers. I'm not saying one has to work his way up to Schnittke and Pettersson, but considering these are the last 2 major composers in the line starting with Vivaldi and Bach, continuing through Mzoart, it does have some...
by paulb
Sat Oct 21, 2006 10:37 am
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox May 2006 to Feb 26 2007
Topic: American orchestras would make a mess of Pettersson
Replies: 95
Views: 11796

so the title to this thread was to bring attention to my cause. However there is part truth to it. Since no one has ever heard an american orch play Pettersson, we are not sure of what the result would be. I'm sure some would do a fine job, but that question may never be answered in our lifetime. Be...
by paulb
Sat Oct 21, 2006 9:36 am
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox May 2006 to Feb 26 2007
Topic: American orchestras would make a mess of Pettersson
Replies: 95
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Lanzchen, understandable, but I have at least some justificatio for partially labeling Karl a "conservative". Lets say he has a "conservative bent", which as you say is as good as any other preference. There's no opinion right nor wrong in this art. Debussy and Ravel has all the right to choose who ...
by paulb
Sat Oct 21, 2006 3:19 am
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox May 2006 to Feb 26 2007
Topic: American orchestras would make a mess of Pettersson
Replies: 95
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Saphire you posted above just ahead of my post. ...I'll read and respond later this morning...uits 3:15 am here in baton rouge
Good night
by paulb
Sat Oct 21, 2006 3:18 am
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox May 2006 to Feb 26 2007
Topic: American orchestras would make a mess of Pettersson
Replies: 95
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Nicely said there, Paul :wink: Your ideas seem not at all murky to me, I can relate with them on a number of levels. Luckily, if there is such a gestapo here, I have not noticed it, and I am sensitive to such taste squashing. An Ivesian gestapo might be fun though. Peace be with you Greetings Broth...
by paulb
Fri Oct 20, 2006 7:48 pm
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox May 2006 to Feb 26 2007
Topic: American orchestras would make a mess of Pettersson
Replies: 95
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Saphire I wish I had the ability, on every level to address your highly interesting questions. Much of what i feel and know on music is intuitional and thus is suspect as being suggestive and so just plain daydreaming and imaginary. Nothing of what i believe can be laid out in any substansive form, ...
by paulb
Fri Oct 20, 2006 4:02 pm
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox May 2006 to Feb 26 2007
Topic: American orchestras would make a mess of Pettersson
Replies: 95
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Ravel Remembered/a collection of friends recollections of Ravel/edited by Roger Nichols page 15-16/jacques blanche/1861-1942 pages 15-16:"...."Ravel agreed to give me harmony lessons....we planned to meet twice a week...these meetings were planned, postponed and finally abandoned, for the curious re...
by paulb
Fri Oct 20, 2006 9:43 am
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Topic: American orchestras would make a mess of Schmenge
Replies: 19
Views: 2594

I find this discussion of Schnittke, and his apparent absence from the American Musical Scene, perplexing. This is almsot opposite of my experience in the US, but there may be other factors at work. Young musicians in the US are well aware of Schnittke and his genius, and in my two years at grad sc...
by paulb
Thu Oct 19, 2006 10:20 pm
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Topic: American orchestras would make a mess of Schmenge
Replies: 19
Views: 2594

And if you do FEEL there is something needing saying, then lets have it...with respect of course. Of course i came across abit too haughty, even hostile, but I hope you understand my position as laid out. Anyway I have not even mentioned my imagined results if american orchestras attempted Schnittke...
by paulb
Thu Oct 19, 2006 6:57 pm
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Topic: American orchestras would make a mess of Pettersson
Replies: 95
Views: 11796

Thanks Corlyss for clarifying the issue. i meant to say that somehow we are tied into our fate, in refering to Beethoven's deafness. Thats all. Nothing derogatory. Yes welcome to the board Saphire. We like to share our opinions here w/o the snides or sarcasams nor insults. We really are a respected ...
by paulb
Thu Oct 19, 2006 5:03 pm
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Topic: American orchestras would make a mess of Pettersson
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Not sure how I offended LvB by asking how and why he went deaf. but i offer apology if anyone was offended. Much irony here. This deaf world. Hope there's nothing I said to get me expelled from the board. I was forwarned by the moderator that I should keep a low profile, considering I did get delete...
by paulb
Thu Oct 19, 2006 2:36 pm
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox May 2006 to Feb 26 2007
Topic: American orchestras would make a mess of Pettersson
Replies: 95
Views: 11796

Re: please....

this might help 'Irony is a literary or rhetorical device in which there is a gap or incongruity between what a speaker or a writer says, and what is understood. More generally, irony is understood as an aesthetic valuation, which is variously applied to texts, speech, events and even fashion. All ...
by paulb
Thu Oct 19, 2006 1:53 pm
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox May 2006 to Feb 26 2007
Topic: American orchestras would make a mess of Pettersson
Replies: 95
Views: 11796

My big secret here is a big daily dose of Schumann. Far better than Sibelius, I can assure you. Now then, these whipper-snappers of a mere 50. What do they know? hummm looks here a case of the voice of the collective unconscious, "who's Pettersson, we do not recognize thsi name in our 150 yrs of da...
by paulb
Thu Oct 19, 2006 8:27 am
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox May 2006 to Feb 26 2007
Topic: Does Music Mean Anything?
Replies: 37
Views: 6683

Sometime within the past year an article was posted here citing several well-known authorities' responses to a well known work--the slow movement of Mozart's 40th, IIRC. Their interpretations were all over the map, from somber to celebratory. Yeah, and you'd have thought that with a long-establishe...
by paulb
Thu Oct 19, 2006 8:04 am
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox May 2006 to Feb 26 2007
Topic: Does Music Mean Anything?
Replies: 37
Views: 6683

Dave nice thoughts, lovely photos. But for once let me say I am not in the least impressed with any space photos of "look at our earth, its that little speck of dust in the wide universe". Not impressed at all when compared to the "vast wide universe" and such nonsense....also not impressed with the...
by paulb
Thu Oct 19, 2006 7:04 am
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox May 2006 to Feb 26 2007
Topic: Does Music Mean Anything?
Replies: 37
Views: 6683

Jack don't give your advice to Maurice Ravel. At least not over a good parisian lunch. you may end up paying the bill.
Or are you not aware of his wish to avoid, in all manners, a certain early romantic? Initials LvB
by paulb
Wed Oct 18, 2006 9:58 pm
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox May 2006 to Feb 26 2007
Topic: Does Music Mean Anything?
Replies: 37
Views: 6683

Music not only means something, but it can express the meaning of life better than words. Well impower now you've taken this topic to a whole nother level. So which composers do you feel speak the meaning of life as you know it, this time in your walk on this earth. Everyone I believe should give t...
by paulb
Wed Oct 18, 2006 9:23 pm
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox May 2006 to Feb 26 2007
Topic: American orchestras would make a mess of Pettersson
Replies: 95
Views: 11796

If Paul had any knowledge whatsoever of the performance history of A.P.'s symphonies (which he doesn't) he would be aware that Commisiona played many of these works (Nos. 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, & 14 at least) with American orchestras (Baltimore & Houston primarily) in ). Good its been a couple of decades n...
by paulb
Wed Oct 18, 2006 9:10 pm
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox May 2006 to Feb 26 2007
Topic: Jean Sibelius
Replies: 115
Views: 21731

In exactly the same way, Paul , since you fail to see the beauty in the Sibelius symphonies, you have seven holes in your soul. Blah blah blah. Who in their right mind would deny the beauty in the 4-7 syms. Lovely passgaes of gripping intensity. The opening to the 4th to die for. The powerful sweep...
by paulb
Wed Oct 18, 2006 7:54 pm
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox May 2006 to Feb 26 2007
Topic: Does Music Mean Anything?
Replies: 37
Views: 6683

Take Korsakov's Scheherazade (man thats a tough word to spell, correct). Its a WEEEEEEEEEE YIPEEE experience :roll:
Aaron Copland, nice music, but nothing I'd say 'affects/moves/inspires/grabs" me, IOW nothing that WOW's me.
Plenty of "nice music' out there.
by paulb
Wed Oct 18, 2006 7:36 pm
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox May 2006 to Feb 26 2007
Topic: Jean Sibelius
Replies: 115
Views: 21731

Karl you have it wrong. i never siad they had to like the music. I said if they can not hear the beauty in many parts of the 7th, then they have a hole in their soul. In reference to anyone involved seriously with classical music for more than 20 yrs. That includes you. You've never heard the 7th/Se...
by paulb
Wed Oct 18, 2006 6:23 pm
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox May 2006 to Feb 26 2007
Topic: Does Music Mean Anything?
Replies: 37
Views: 6683

Thanks, Karl, that struck me as kind of a silly thing to say, too. If something is unnamable, then it cannot be named and nothing can name it. I think what Bernstein is saying is that the experience of music is like nothing else, but that doesn't necessarily mean it names or communicates anything. ...
by paulb
Wed Oct 18, 2006 6:13 pm
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Topic: Does Music Mean Anything?
Replies: 37
Views: 6683

Let's see what some noted musicians and writers have said on this subject. Here are ten notable quotables. "The aim and final end of all music should be none other than the glory of God and the refreshment of the soul." -- Johann Sebastian Bach "Music is a higher revelation than philosophy." -- Lud...
by paulb
Wed Oct 18, 2006 2:16 pm
Forum: ARCHIVED: Classical Music Chatterbox May 2006 to Feb 26 2007
Topic: Jean Sibelius
Replies: 115
Views: 21731

I'm not sure how anyone can walk away from that sym and say they did not like it. Anyone who can , i say to them "you've got a hole in your soul". Well, and tell someone else that you can walk away from a Sibelius symphony and not like, I suppose they say to you, Paul , "You've got a hole in your s...