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by absinthe
Fri Jul 20, 2012 5:43 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: To see or not to see ......?
Replies: 21
Views: 1555

Re: To see or not to see ......?

Concertos I find do benefit more from the visual aspect (unless it's Lang Lang grimacing his way through the piece!) I dare say most listeners grimace, too. It hurts just as much on their side. :mrgreen: I was watching that prom tonight. I quite liked the performance of the Beethoven. Of course he ...
by absinthe
Fri Jul 20, 2012 3:19 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: What are YOU listening to today?
Replies: 16255
Views: 2853525

Re: What are YOU listening to today?

Later.
Bed time.
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by absinthe
Fri Jul 20, 2012 3:13 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Herr JBUCK Has Told Me That Herr Schonberg ...
Replies: 21
Views: 3164

Re: Herr JBUCK Has Told Me That Herr Schonberg ...

After Schoenberg's earlier works, masterpieces to say the least, I knew that he knew what he was doing and he was trying to deal with the musical "crisis" as it was seen, even if I can't always appreciate the results. In the same way that as a younger person faced with Picasso I happened on his earl...
by absinthe
Thu Jul 19, 2012 4:21 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: What are YOU listening to today?
Replies: 16255
Views: 2853525

Re: What are YOU listening to today?

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by absinthe
Wed Jul 18, 2012 5:37 am
Forum: Corner Pub
Topic: Rise of the machines.
Replies: 3
Views: 919

Re: Rise of the machines.

It's sheer arrogance, humans believing they're the last in the evolutionary line. They're going nowhere. If they were they'd be working very hard on adaptating to the vagaries of climate and with automation creeping over just about everything they need some way of sharing out a diminishing supply of...
by absinthe
Tue Jul 17, 2012 2:16 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: About Heitor Villa-Lobos:
Replies: 35
Views: 5700

Re: About Heitor Villa-Lobos:

Taking together all your responses, I'm getting the impression that HV-L is in the same situation today as Mahler was in 1964; just as GM was not fully appreciated in 1964 because of the demands his music made on the performers and the audience, HV-L is not fully appreciated today because of the sa...
by absinthe
Tue Jul 17, 2012 8:46 am
Forum: Corner Pub
Topic: Tolerance FOR Us and None FROM Us
Replies: 4
Views: 683

Re: Tolerance FOR Us and None FROM Us

Hoping I don't fire-off another nit-picking controversy, I tend to agree with his mother and if anything, affronted that Ms Jolie should feel entitled to express ire, unless she's a femme or dyke. We're appproaching times when the queers and other minority groups are alone in having the right to sho...
by absinthe
Tue Jul 17, 2012 7:53 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: The First Person in musical composition
Replies: 87
Views: 11663

Re: The First Person in musical composition

Composers and street sweepers have one thing in common: they can't belong to a professional body (like lawyers and doctors) that controls their working practices - because there isn't one! :D Well, it's something we all get to do anyway when we're "de-composing". What sort of a 'body' do you need f...
by absinthe
Tue Jul 17, 2012 7:43 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: The First Person in musical composition
Replies: 87
Views: 11663

Re: The First Person in musical composition

diegobueno wrote:Sounds like sour grapes to me.
Sounds like you take life too seriously.

:wink:
by absinthe
Tue Jul 17, 2012 6:53 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: The First Person in musical composition
Replies: 87
Views: 11663

Re: The First Person in musical composition

Just as a parting shot on this one: Yes, composers are professionals. They write on commission for money. It means someone values their work enough to pay them to do it. It means there's such a demand for their music from professional musicians (all of whom insist upon pay for their services too), t...
by absinthe
Tue Jul 17, 2012 5:27 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: The First Person in musical composition
Replies: 87
Views: 11663

Re: The First Person in musical composition

Whoah!! Let's change the tone a little, shall we? Spoiler Alert: For those who think this discussion is not worth having STOP READING NOW! It's ok, the tone isn't to be taken seriously. Like most BBs this one has people who love to talk down, particularly if they have some kind of certification. Co...
by absinthe
Mon Jul 16, 2012 8:05 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: The First Person in musical composition
Replies: 87
Views: 11663

Re: The First Person in musical composition

But it's facile to proclaim "more nonsense". You merely invoke airy fairy assumptions riding on a cognisance of Haydn's biography, no better than me! Perhaps diegobueno was right: stripped of all those things that made him a jobbing composer, there might be little left. Ahem! That's not what I said...
by absinthe
Mon Jul 16, 2012 7:48 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: The First Person in musical composition
Replies: 87
Views: 11663

Re: The First Person in musical composition

But it's facile to proclaim "more nonsense". You merely invoke airy fairy assumptions riding on a cognisance of Haydn's biography, no better than me! Perhaps diegobueno was right: stripped of all those things that made him a jobbing composer, there might be little left. I was quoting him as an exam...
by absinthe
Mon Jul 16, 2012 4:48 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: The First Person in musical composition
Replies: 87
Views: 11663

Re: The First Person in musical composition

What analysis was that? Is the discussion difficult to follow?

:lol:
by absinthe
Mon Jul 16, 2012 4:24 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: The First Person in musical composition
Replies: 87
Views: 11663

Re: The First Person in musical composition

Sheer nonsense about Haydn being "conventional." If we're talking about autobiography, here's a bit of Haydn's, about his time as an employee of Prince Esterhazy: "As head of an orchestra I could experiment, observe what heightened the effect and what weakened it, and so could improve, expand, cut,...
by absinthe
Mon Jul 16, 2012 3:22 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: The First Person in musical composition
Replies: 87
Views: 11663

Re: The First Person in musical composition

We need to find a means of eliminating "noise in the channel", the result of a composer chained to the conventions of their era and doing a job rather than creatively expressing themselves. The Classicist-employees like Haydn had to write to please. We somehow have to strip that out to find how muc...
by absinthe
Mon Jul 16, 2012 8:27 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Can you REALLY live with one recording of a piece of music?
Replies: 15
Views: 2052

Re: Can you REALLY live with one recording of a piece of mus

Of course. The hard thing is to know in advance which one recording it would be. :) I never do unless I borrow a copy. These days reviewers aren't reliable, not the new ones anyway. I reckon at least 5% of my CD budget is wasted as disappointments find their way on the marketplace. I get some money...
by absinthe
Mon Jul 16, 2012 5:39 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Can you REALLY live with one recording of a piece of music?
Replies: 15
Views: 2052

Re: Can you REALLY live with one recording of a piece of mus

Hah! And here's me wondering why some aficionados need to have so many recordings. But then I looked at my situation and, hmmm, I do have multiples of some works. I have little choice with some music: sometimes a composer is represented on just one disc (Robert Still, William Baines, William Wordswo...
by absinthe
Sun Jul 15, 2012 6:16 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: The First Person in musical composition
Replies: 87
Views: 11663

Re: The First Person in musical composition

This whole concept is a work in progress for me, as earlier stated, and in trying to put it into shape in order to move forward I posted my ideas on this messageboard. It now seems to be moving in circles. Thanks everybody for your input. I don't believe it. It happened again. Half an hour's though...
by absinthe
Sun Jul 15, 2012 2:14 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: About Heitor Villa-Lobos:
Replies: 35
Views: 5700

Re: About Heitor Villa-Lobos:

The difference between Boulez and Stravinsky is that Stravinsky wrote great music. Boulez, of course, is one of the great conductors, so I can appreciate his value as a musician even though his aesthetic positions are such to make my eyes roll. If he defames Stravinsky I chalk it up to artistic tem...
by absinthe
Sun Jul 15, 2012 2:06 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: About Heitor Villa-Lobos:
Replies: 35
Views: 5700

Re: About Heitor Villa-Lobos:

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51TL9pZjl1L._SL500_AA300_.jpg This is an excellent Villa Lobos disc. Very good performances of - at least- interesting scores. P. Yes. Amazonas is an early one, 1917. The rest are from 1950 onwards. Duarte and Marco Polo have brought several of his works to the...
by absinthe
Sun Jul 15, 2012 1:01 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: About Heitor Villa-Lobos:
Replies: 35
Views: 5700

Re: About Heitor Villa-Lobos:

I can't imagine what you're talking about. Stravinsky never went anywhere but forward. This argument relies on a false and partisan construction of history, kind of like American history according to Fox News. This is music history according to Darmstadt, in which the only legitimate path of music ...
by absinthe
Sun Jul 15, 2012 8:19 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: The First Person in musical composition
Replies: 87
Views: 11663

Re: The First Person in musical composition

Actually, I argued once on another forum that music IS a language and was shot down in flames Are you Saussure about that?! :mrgreen: I’d have been shot down in that case because I believe that the components that make up music analogise to some extent, features of (verbal) language. It’s a problem...
by absinthe
Sun Jul 15, 2012 6:39 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: About Heitor Villa-Lobos:
Replies: 35
Views: 5700

Re: About Heitor Villa-Lobos:

There's an excellent 6-CD set from EMI [67229], which is available very inexpensively that I would highly recommend for the "best of" the composer, who is involved in many of the performances himself along with several noted others, such as Victoria de los Angeles, Felicja Blumental, Magda Tagliafe...
by absinthe
Sat Jul 14, 2012 4:30 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Beethoven's "Hammerklavier" and Opus 109
Replies: 90
Views: 11072

Re: Beethoven's "Hammerklavier" and Opus 109

Much appreciated. As you'd have already guessed I'm no Beethoven whizz. :) I shall probably refer back to Schnabel. I like Michelangeli's playing most times (his handling of some of Debussy's Preludes - book 2 is questionable) My problem was it being such an early work. I suppose I have to get into ...
by absinthe
Sat Jul 14, 2012 4:15 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: The First Person in musical composition
Replies: 87
Views: 11663

Re: The First Person in musical composition

Now when I say music is a pseudo-language I don't mean to suggest something like verbal languages. One can't translate the Bible into music, no more than one can translate Beethoven's 5th into English. Music is constructed to express whatever it is that music expresses, and nothing else. But music ...
by absinthe
Sat Jul 14, 2012 3:06 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Beethoven's "Hammerklavier" and Opus 109
Replies: 90
Views: 11072

Re: Beethoven's "Hammerklavier" and Opus 109

It is difficult for me to separate the movements because of the introduction to the Hammerklavier, which is so orchestral in its conception leading to the remaining movements. No wonder that sonata inspired Felix Weingartner to orchestrate the whole work. Pianistically or orchestrally, it makes an ...
by absinthe
Fri Jul 13, 2012 8:20 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: About Heitor Villa-Lobos:
Replies: 35
Views: 5700

Re: About Heitor Villa-Lobos:

The topic got me returning to this composer and particularly the works you mention - performed by the N Y Wind Quintet. Their recordings (on the Boston Skyline label) include many other works, including Barber’s Summer Music, beautifully played, when you consider the endurance needed and performance...
by absinthe
Thu Jul 12, 2012 2:02 pm
Forum: Corner Pub
Topic: Google Nexus vs. Kindle - and iPad?
Replies: 9
Views: 1062

Re: Google Nexus vs. Kindle - and iPad?

July 12 (Bloomberg) -- It’s the most-asked question by consumers about any new tech gadget: “Should I get this now or is something better coming along soon?” For buyers of Amazon’s Kindle Fire, we now have the answer: You should have waited. Google’s new Nexus 7 is aimed directly at the Kindle Fire...
by absinthe
Thu Jul 12, 2012 9:35 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: The First Person in musical composition
Replies: 87
Views: 11663

Re: The First Person in musical composition

However, I think you make salient points about Berg and Schoenberg - the former writes very 'lush' music and has a deeply theatrical sense of the music. In thinking about him, I go back mentally to my Piano Sonata of his and this is dramatic and tender - but I think he eschewed the more ascetic ele...
by absinthe
Thu Jul 12, 2012 8:40 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Trying to find slow, meditative solo piano pieces
Replies: 16
Views: 3581

Re: Trying to find slow, meditative solo piano pieces

Debussy. Further preludes might be Danseuses de Delphes La Fille aux Cheveux de Lin Here are a few pieces I (try to) play when in that mood and it's late at night! Paderewski: Nocturne in Bb Op 16 No 4 Palmgren: Berceuse Liszt: Transcendental Study No 11 "Harmonies du Soir" Chopin: Mazurka in F mino...
by absinthe
Wed Jul 11, 2012 9:06 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: The First Person in musical composition
Replies: 87
Views: 11663

Re: The First Person in musical composition

By that, I presume you mean that it IS possible for Mozart to completely hide himself behind his own music? Is Beethoven's less Musical Art because his feelings are there on display? I think not. For me, personally , Beethoven is the greater composer because he 'speaks' to me about the things he fe...
by absinthe
Wed Jul 11, 2012 5:09 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: About Heitor Villa-Lobos:
Replies: 35
Views: 5700

Re: About Heitor Villa-Lobos:

I think there are several reasons for that: 1) He can be boring (Guitar Prelude No 3) 2) His music is intensely difficult to perform (everything except the Guitar Prelude No 3) 3) His bigger works tend to sprawl (Symphonies 1 and 2) 4) The bigger orchestral works are expensive to perform 5) As with ...
by absinthe
Wed Jul 11, 2012 1:11 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: About Heitor Villa-Lobos:
Replies: 35
Views: 5700

Re: About Heitor Villa-Lobos:

He was certainly a major figure in his homeland. Until he appeared, Brazillian music was European. Would you be satisfied if all I said about Johnny Bach was that he was certainly a major figure in his homeland? Does satisfaction come into it? Your question didn't imply that. I did write quite a lo...
by absinthe
Wed Jul 11, 2012 1:06 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: About Heitor Villa-Lobos:
Replies: 35
Views: 5700

Re: About Heitor Villa-Lobos:

Stravinsky complained, “Why is it that whenever I hear a piece of music I don’t like it’s always by Villa-Lobos?” I seem to recall Villa Lobos saying "Whenever I hear a piece by Stravinsky he saves me the cost of sleeping tablets." Stravinsky went backwards after the Rite. Villa-Lobos went forward....
by absinthe
Wed Jul 11, 2012 11:24 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: About Heitor Villa-Lobos:
Replies: 35
Views: 5700

Re: About Heitor Villa-Lobos:

He was certainly a major figure in his homeland. Until he appeared, Brazillian music was European.
by absinthe
Wed Jul 11, 2012 11:18 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: The First Person in musical composition
Replies: 87
Views: 11663

Re: The First Person in musical composition

I do agree that the spirit of the person, the temperament / emotion as you choose to say, is inevitably in their creations but it’s extremely difficult to pin down exactly how and what. I do not believe (just my view) that a listener could determine anything even half-way specific about the person -...
by absinthe
Mon Jul 09, 2012 5:06 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: What are YOU listening to today?
Replies: 16255
Views: 2853525

Re: What are YOU listening to today?

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Not hi-fi sound but I don't know of another
Klemperer recording of Bruckner's 8th
with the last movement uncut.
by absinthe
Mon Jul 09, 2012 1:49 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: The First Person in musical composition
Replies: 87
Views: 11663

Re: The First Person in musical composition

Tarantella, you certainly raise some interesting questions! Surely every composer except a plagiarist or commercial guy must compose from the first person to some extent. I’ve sometimes wondered if this is a composer’s style, concluding that it isn’t: a composer might have a style but without his pe...
by absinthe
Tue Jul 03, 2012 9:27 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Beethoven's "Hammerklavier" and Opus 109
Replies: 90
Views: 11072

Re: Beethoven's "Hammerklavier" and Opus 109

Tarantella has pointed you to one of the early sonatas that isn't so often played but deserves to be. Here's a later one in the same category. Also, it's a sample of Artur Schnabel's playing, that Don Isler praises as do many. He may not be finger-perfect, but he takes the music at a real Presto, a...
by absinthe
Tue Jul 03, 2012 9:24 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Beethoven's "Hammerklavier" and Opus 109
Replies: 90
Views: 11072

Re: Beethoven's "Hammerklavier" and Opus 109

Yes, I spotted that while making a wider search and I might well do it as it takes no space up on shelves. It's an incredible bargain. Thanks for the tip-off :) It is a strange piece in that it does not require overwhelming technique, except that one has to be able to play an extended double trill w...
by absinthe
Tue Jul 03, 2012 9:07 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: CMG Facebook Link?
Replies: 53
Views: 3614

Re: CMG Facebook Link?

You ain't the only one. The main issue is never sign up for Facebook with your real name, or if that, leave your address, phone number and very private details out. There have been so many instances reported in the UK: crowds suddenly turning up at your place because A.N.Other told all his mates the...
by absinthe
Tue Jul 03, 2012 3:12 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Beethoven's "Hammerklavier" and Opus 109
Replies: 90
Views: 11072

Re: Beethoven's "Hammerklavier" and Opus 109

Absinthe, you write about not having much experience listening to Beethoven Klaviersonaten. These Sonaten are my 'desert island' music! Have a listen to Sonata No. 4 (which the Coen Brothers used in "The Man Who Wasn't There"). It is absolutely magnificent, and an earlier sonata. It has all the hal...
by absinthe
Tue Jul 03, 2012 12:29 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: CMG Facebook Link?
Replies: 53
Views: 3614

Re: CMG Facebook Link?

If you want a Facebook button on the CMG index page you'd have to have the relevant CMG html down, wouldn't you? Program it in? I mean, the code is there if wanted.

(Not that I'm suggesting or supporting the idea, mind).
by absinthe
Tue Jul 03, 2012 10:53 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Beethoven's "Hammerklavier" and Opus 109
Replies: 90
Views: 11072

Re: Beethoven's "Hammerklavier" and Opus 109

Double trill? Jeez... I was thinking of looking up the score on islp or whatever it is. Bad enough when he asks for a single 4-5 trill with other stuff going on beneath. I seem to remember that was in the Hammerklavier, no? Very difficult to get consistent, even and sounding easy! Well you're more ...
by absinthe
Tue Jul 03, 2012 10:15 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Beethoven's "Hammerklavier" and Opus 109
Replies: 90
Views: 11072

Re: Beethoven's "Hammerklavier" and Opus 109

Double trill? Jeez... I was thinking of looking up the score on islp or whatever it is. Bad enough when he asks for a single 4-5 trill with other stuff going on beneath. I seem to remember that was in the Hammerklavier, no? Very difficult to get consistent, even and sounding easy!
by absinthe
Tue Jul 03, 2012 5:51 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Beethoven's "Hammerklavier" and Opus 109
Replies: 90
Views: 11072

Re: Beethoven's "Hammerklavier" and Opus 109

I had a listen to the Op109 last night. Need a little more time (and perhaps listening around this one) to gain an appreciation. I've heard so little of Herr B's piano music. It sounds pretty difficult to play so I'll give that a miss!
by absinthe
Sun Jul 01, 2012 3:10 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Herren Anton und Gustav
Replies: 24
Views: 3602

Re: Herren Anton und Gustav

No battle but I would have considered your definition as forensic or (hard) scientific investigation. I doubt what I described is actually opposite. (I can't speak for Tarantella, obviously.) In fact there isn't so much of a difference except where the unearthing of facts is known to be unlikely/imp...
by absinthe
Sun Jul 01, 2012 11:33 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Herren Anton und Gustav
Replies: 24
Views: 3602

Re: Herren Anton und Gustav

No substitute for scholarship you say? Not considerable life experience, being well read, travelled, qualified and intelligent? Better to rely on some ivory-towered academic? These give us the tools to enable us to analyse ourselves!! Quite. Scholarship has its place and does keep academics off the...