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by absinthe
Mon Jul 23, 2012 9:06 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Arnold Rosner: Mozart most overrated of all composers
Replies: 236
Views: 38391

Re: Arnold Rosner: Mozart most overrated of all composers

diegobueno wrote:
Tarantella wrote:What: and be a 'pretended girl gardener' or something? Cheers, Tarantella (weeding)
:) Even I think that's witty.
Aww... uh...are you unwell?
by absinthe
Mon Jul 23, 2012 9:05 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Arnold Rosner: Mozart most overrated of all composers
Replies: 236
Views: 38391

Re: Arnold Rosner: Mozart most overrated of all composers

Tarantella wrote:I THINK, therefore I AM.

Yep; looks like it!
Hah! And I thought good-old Des Carties said "I DRINK, therefore I am"

:mrgreen:
by absinthe
Mon Jul 23, 2012 7:33 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Arnold Rosner: Mozart most overrated of all composers
Replies: 236
Views: 38391

Re: Arnold Rosner: Mozart most overrated of all composers

The most virulent arguments are often about the avant-garde, from my experience. It's good for people to hold passionate opinions because good discussion/argument often reveals that they are THINKING listeners of serious music, and when they defend a position they often reveal quite a depth of know...
by absinthe
Mon Jul 23, 2012 3:17 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Arnold Rosner: Mozart most overrated of all composers
Replies: 236
Views: 38391

Re: Arnold Rosner: Mozart most overrated of all composers

Now if you're trying to set me and Garrett against each other on the basis of compositions, I'll not hear of it. Garrett is a fine composer and he's got a great career ahead of him. He's got his career act together like I never will, and he's got all sorts of amazing commissions coming his way. I s...
by absinthe
Sun Jul 22, 2012 5:21 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Arnold Rosner: Mozart most overrated of all composers
Replies: 236
Views: 38391

Re: Arnold Rosner: Mozart most overrated of all composers

A superb, gifted performer who came from a family of hornplayers. I recently bought a second CD of his playing to exceed the boundary of the Mozart Concertos I treasure.
by absinthe
Sun Jul 22, 2012 5:03 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Arnold Rosner: Mozart most overrated of all composers
Replies: 236
Views: 38391

Re: Arnold Rosner: Mozart most overrated of all composers

Quite. But he came up with one good suggestion. I might indeed try to rewrite that Requiem with a bicycle pump part. No worse than Hoffnung rewriting a Leopold Mozart Concerto for Hose-pipe and Strings. Dennis Brain on the hosepipe. http://www.amazon.co.uk/Hoffnung-Music-Festival-Concert-1956/dp/B00...
by absinthe
Sun Jul 22, 2012 4:46 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Arnold Rosner: Mozart most overrated of all composers
Replies: 236
Views: 38391

Re: Arnold Rosner: Mozart most overrated of all composers

I find all of those things there. Keep looking. It's clear from the comments of some people here that Mozart is very very difficult to understand. There you go again. The CMG highhorse is in full gear! -G And what the hell makes you think you're the only one who has the right to make pronouncements...
by absinthe
Sun Jul 22, 2012 4:21 pm
Forum: Corner Pub
Topic: The Terrible Batman Movie Tragedy
Replies: 30
Views: 6820

Re: The Terrible Batman Movie Tragedy

This horrific story speaks once again about the American gun culture and the obsession most people in this country have for firearms. The ease that this nutcase had in legally obtaining automatic weapons and the ammunition sufficient to slaughter scores of innocents should, but course won't undersc...
by absinthe
Sun Jul 22, 2012 3:38 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Singer with swastika tattoo withdraws from Bayreuth Festival
Replies: 17
Views: 3426

Re: Singer with swastika tattoo withdraws from Bayreuth Fest

Sad to say, the German gov has problems on its hands. The far right is emerging as it has in France, Austria and Denmark. A documentary a couple of days ago showed some demonstrations arranged with considerable stealth. Not absolutely right for the music board but pertinent. http://www.bbc.co.uk/new...
by absinthe
Sun Jul 22, 2012 1:53 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Arnold Rosner: Mozart most overrated of all composers
Replies: 236
Views: 38391

Re: Arnold Rosner: Mozart most overrated of all composers

diegobueno wrote:It's clear from the comments of some people here that Mozart is very very difficult to understand.
Do you mean the person or the music? If the music, how does one understand a piece or pieces of music?
by absinthe
Sun Jul 22, 2012 1:29 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Arnold Rosner: Mozart most overrated of all composers
Replies: 236
Views: 38391

Re: Arnold Rosner: Mozart most overrated of all composers

It's the very "purity", "perfection" and "beauty" of Mozart that has most caused me to shut off. I don't want my music to be merely these things - it has to be challenging, thought-provoking, disturbing, complex, moving, introspective, serene, questioning, searching, yearning, dynamic, forward-look...
by absinthe
Sun Jul 22, 2012 12:25 pm
Forum: Corner Pub
Topic: Climate change - what's the tipping point?
Replies: 13
Views: 2239

Re: Climate change - what's the tipping point?

My only gripe with this article is that "climate systems" as he calls them, aren't closed systems but functionally related to every aspect of the ecology including the entire climate (which he seems to like to dvide into other systems, though they are subsystems). It might be convenient for study to...
by absinthe
Sun Jul 22, 2012 7:38 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Arnold Rosner: Mozart most overrated of all composers
Replies: 236
Views: 38391

Re: Arnold Rosner: Mozart most overrated of all composers

What particular "aspects of the human condition" does he mean? Though he doesn't say so directly, he appears to be talking about those aspects of the human condition having to do with emotion. Does he mean that music should address any and all emotions? But music is not capable of this. It may "add...
by absinthe
Sun Jul 22, 2012 5:43 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Arnold Rosner: Mozart most overrated of all composers
Replies: 236
Views: 38391

Re: Arnold Rosner: Mozart most overrated of all composers

Trouble is, Mozart was showcased as a celeb doing circuit from a very early age. He probably had nice upper-class ladies gazing in awe upon him through their lorgnettes. He wrote pop music for the elite, the concert-goers and drawing room attendees who had to attend as a social duty if they wanted t...
by absinthe
Sun Jul 22, 2012 5:26 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: BBC's Through the Night
Replies: 8
Views: 1887

Re: BBC's Through the Night

When I'm about in the UK I sometimes record the whole night. Problem is isolating the target works to save to some medium. Sometimes I just play the night's program back during the day as background music until my attention is grabbed by something. The BBC quite often puts on obscure items impossibl...
by absinthe
Sat Jul 21, 2012 11:59 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Herr JBUCK Has Told Me That Herr Schonberg ...
Replies: 21
Views: 3621

Re: Herr JBUCK Has Told Me That Herr Schonberg ...

Then that might provide an answer - if Schoenberg was tinkering with traditional formal and tonal music his treatment is likely to lead to something strange.

That Dahlhaus guy just seems to be playing with words.
by absinthe
Sat Jul 21, 2012 8:22 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Herr JBUCK Has Told Me That Herr Schonberg ...
Replies: 21
Views: 3621

Re: Herr JBUCK Has Told Me That Herr Schonberg ...

In that case it's is because Stravinsky and Bartok are basically tonal composers. Stravinsky is clearly tonal if supplemented by many dissonances. The Rite of Spring is mainly modal. Bartok came up with exotic sounds but kept to the old rules. His string quartets illustrate this. His modulations may...
by absinthe
Sat Jul 21, 2012 5:54 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Herr JBUCK Has Told Me That Herr Schonberg ...
Replies: 21
Views: 3621

Re: Herr JBUCK Has Told Me That Herr Schonberg ...

Indeed. And when asked how easy Word for Windows was for a writer, the rep said, "It's crammed full of best-sellers. It's up to you to draw them out." I think that one-liner is a perfectly good definition. At first I wondered if it the word 'organised' should be inserted somewhere but, nope. Perhaps...
by absinthe
Sat Jul 21, 2012 4:36 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Sudden interest in Gustav Holst's music ...
Replies: 6
Views: 1444

Re: Sudden interest in Gustav Holst's music ...

It can't be bad if there's a general surge of interest. Much music has been about for a time, at least 5 CDs were issued by Lyrita (taken from several LPs extending back to the 1960s). Sound is very good as always. My favourite: http://media.mdt.co.uk/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab3352...
by absinthe
Fri Jul 20, 2012 5:43 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: To see or not to see ......?
Replies: 21
Views: 1813

Re: To see or not to see ......?

Concertos I find do benefit more from the visual aspect (unless it's Lang Lang grimacing his way through the piece!) I dare say most listeners grimace, too. It hurts just as much on their side. :mrgreen: I was watching that prom tonight. I quite liked the performance of the Beethoven. Of course he ...
by absinthe
Fri Jul 20, 2012 3:19 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: What are YOU listening to today?
Replies: 16255
Views: 3155211

Re: What are YOU listening to today?

Later.
Bed time.
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by absinthe
Fri Jul 20, 2012 3:13 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Herr JBUCK Has Told Me That Herr Schonberg ...
Replies: 21
Views: 3621

Re: Herr JBUCK Has Told Me That Herr Schonberg ...

After Schoenberg's earlier works, masterpieces to say the least, I knew that he knew what he was doing and he was trying to deal with the musical "crisis" as it was seen, even if I can't always appreciate the results. In the same way that as a younger person faced with Picasso I happened on his earl...
by absinthe
Thu Jul 19, 2012 4:21 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: What are YOU listening to today?
Replies: 16255
Views: 3155211

Re: What are YOU listening to today?

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by absinthe
Wed Jul 18, 2012 5:37 am
Forum: Corner Pub
Topic: Rise of the machines.
Replies: 3
Views: 1196

Re: Rise of the machines.

It's sheer arrogance, humans believing they're the last in the evolutionary line. They're going nowhere. If they were they'd be working very hard on adaptating to the vagaries of climate and with automation creeping over just about everything they need some way of sharing out a diminishing supply of...
by absinthe
Tue Jul 17, 2012 2:16 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: About Heitor Villa-Lobos:
Replies: 35
Views: 6587

Re: About Heitor Villa-Lobos:

Taking together all your responses, I'm getting the impression that HV-L is in the same situation today as Mahler was in 1964; just as GM was not fully appreciated in 1964 because of the demands his music made on the performers and the audience, HV-L is not fully appreciated today because of the sa...
by absinthe
Tue Jul 17, 2012 8:46 am
Forum: Corner Pub
Topic: Tolerance FOR Us and None FROM Us
Replies: 4
Views: 823

Re: Tolerance FOR Us and None FROM Us

Hoping I don't fire-off another nit-picking controversy, I tend to agree with his mother and if anything, affronted that Ms Jolie should feel entitled to express ire, unless she's a femme or dyke. We're appproaching times when the queers and other minority groups are alone in having the right to sho...
by absinthe
Tue Jul 17, 2012 7:53 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: The First Person in musical composition
Replies: 87
Views: 12811

Re: The First Person in musical composition

Composers and street sweepers have one thing in common: they can't belong to a professional body (like lawyers and doctors) that controls their working practices - because there isn't one! :D Well, it's something we all get to do anyway when we're "de-composing". What sort of a 'body' do you need f...
by absinthe
Tue Jul 17, 2012 7:43 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: The First Person in musical composition
Replies: 87
Views: 12811

Re: The First Person in musical composition

diegobueno wrote:Sounds like sour grapes to me.
Sounds like you take life too seriously.

:wink:
by absinthe
Tue Jul 17, 2012 6:53 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: The First Person in musical composition
Replies: 87
Views: 12811

Re: The First Person in musical composition

Just as a parting shot on this one: Yes, composers are professionals. They write on commission for money. It means someone values their work enough to pay them to do it. It means there's such a demand for their music from professional musicians (all of whom insist upon pay for their services too), t...
by absinthe
Tue Jul 17, 2012 5:27 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: The First Person in musical composition
Replies: 87
Views: 12811

Re: The First Person in musical composition

Whoah!! Let's change the tone a little, shall we? Spoiler Alert: For those who think this discussion is not worth having STOP READING NOW! It's ok, the tone isn't to be taken seriously. Like most BBs this one has people who love to talk down, particularly if they have some kind of certification. Co...
by absinthe
Mon Jul 16, 2012 8:05 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: The First Person in musical composition
Replies: 87
Views: 12811

Re: The First Person in musical composition

But it's facile to proclaim "more nonsense". You merely invoke airy fairy assumptions riding on a cognisance of Haydn's biography, no better than me! Perhaps diegobueno was right: stripped of all those things that made him a jobbing composer, there might be little left. Ahem! That's not what I said...
by absinthe
Mon Jul 16, 2012 7:48 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: The First Person in musical composition
Replies: 87
Views: 12811

Re: The First Person in musical composition

But it's facile to proclaim "more nonsense". You merely invoke airy fairy assumptions riding on a cognisance of Haydn's biography, no better than me! Perhaps diegobueno was right: stripped of all those things that made him a jobbing composer, there might be little left. I was quoting him as an exam...
by absinthe
Mon Jul 16, 2012 4:48 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: The First Person in musical composition
Replies: 87
Views: 12811

Re: The First Person in musical composition

What analysis was that? Is the discussion difficult to follow?

:lol:
by absinthe
Mon Jul 16, 2012 4:24 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: The First Person in musical composition
Replies: 87
Views: 12811

Re: The First Person in musical composition

Sheer nonsense about Haydn being "conventional." If we're talking about autobiography, here's a bit of Haydn's, about his time as an employee of Prince Esterhazy: "As head of an orchestra I could experiment, observe what heightened the effect and what weakened it, and so could improve, expand, cut,...
by absinthe
Mon Jul 16, 2012 3:22 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: The First Person in musical composition
Replies: 87
Views: 12811

Re: The First Person in musical composition

We need to find a means of eliminating "noise in the channel", the result of a composer chained to the conventions of their era and doing a job rather than creatively expressing themselves. The Classicist-employees like Haydn had to write to please. We somehow have to strip that out to find how muc...
by absinthe
Mon Jul 16, 2012 8:27 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Can you REALLY live with one recording of a piece of music?
Replies: 15
Views: 2452

Re: Can you REALLY live with one recording of a piece of mus

Of course. The hard thing is to know in advance which one recording it would be. :) I never do unless I borrow a copy. These days reviewers aren't reliable, not the new ones anyway. I reckon at least 5% of my CD budget is wasted as disappointments find their way on the marketplace. I get some money...
by absinthe
Mon Jul 16, 2012 5:39 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Can you REALLY live with one recording of a piece of music?
Replies: 15
Views: 2452

Re: Can you REALLY live with one recording of a piece of mus

Hah! And here's me wondering why some aficionados need to have so many recordings. But then I looked at my situation and, hmmm, I do have multiples of some works. I have little choice with some music: sometimes a composer is represented on just one disc (Robert Still, William Baines, William Wordswo...
by absinthe
Sun Jul 15, 2012 6:16 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: The First Person in musical composition
Replies: 87
Views: 12811

Re: The First Person in musical composition

This whole concept is a work in progress for me, as earlier stated, and in trying to put it into shape in order to move forward I posted my ideas on this messageboard. It now seems to be moving in circles. Thanks everybody for your input. I don't believe it. It happened again. Half an hour's though...
by absinthe
Sun Jul 15, 2012 2:14 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: About Heitor Villa-Lobos:
Replies: 35
Views: 6587

Re: About Heitor Villa-Lobos:

The difference between Boulez and Stravinsky is that Stravinsky wrote great music. Boulez, of course, is one of the great conductors, so I can appreciate his value as a musician even though his aesthetic positions are such to make my eyes roll. If he defames Stravinsky I chalk it up to artistic tem...
by absinthe
Sun Jul 15, 2012 2:06 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: About Heitor Villa-Lobos:
Replies: 35
Views: 6587

Re: About Heitor Villa-Lobos:

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51TL9pZjl1L._SL500_AA300_.jpg This is an excellent Villa Lobos disc. Very good performances of - at least- interesting scores. P. Yes. Amazonas is an early one, 1917. The rest are from 1950 onwards. Duarte and Marco Polo have brought several of his works to the...
by absinthe
Sun Jul 15, 2012 1:01 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: About Heitor Villa-Lobos:
Replies: 35
Views: 6587

Re: About Heitor Villa-Lobos:

I can't imagine what you're talking about. Stravinsky never went anywhere but forward. This argument relies on a false and partisan construction of history, kind of like American history according to Fox News. This is music history according to Darmstadt, in which the only legitimate path of music ...
by absinthe
Sun Jul 15, 2012 8:19 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: The First Person in musical composition
Replies: 87
Views: 12811

Re: The First Person in musical composition

Actually, I argued once on another forum that music IS a language and was shot down in flames Are you Saussure about that?! :mrgreen: I’d have been shot down in that case because I believe that the components that make up music analogise to some extent, features of (verbal) language. It’s a problem...
by absinthe
Sun Jul 15, 2012 6:39 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: About Heitor Villa-Lobos:
Replies: 35
Views: 6587

Re: About Heitor Villa-Lobos:

There's an excellent 6-CD set from EMI [67229], which is available very inexpensively that I would highly recommend for the "best of" the composer, who is involved in many of the performances himself along with several noted others, such as Victoria de los Angeles, Felicja Blumental, Magda Tagliafe...
by absinthe
Sat Jul 14, 2012 4:30 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Beethoven's "Hammerklavier" and Opus 109
Replies: 90
Views: 12732

Re: Beethoven's "Hammerklavier" and Opus 109

Much appreciated. As you'd have already guessed I'm no Beethoven whizz. :) I shall probably refer back to Schnabel. I like Michelangeli's playing most times (his handling of some of Debussy's Preludes - book 2 is questionable) My problem was it being such an early work. I suppose I have to get into ...
by absinthe
Sat Jul 14, 2012 4:15 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: The First Person in musical composition
Replies: 87
Views: 12811

Re: The First Person in musical composition

Now when I say music is a pseudo-language I don't mean to suggest something like verbal languages. One can't translate the Bible into music, no more than one can translate Beethoven's 5th into English. Music is constructed to express whatever it is that music expresses, and nothing else. But music ...
by absinthe
Sat Jul 14, 2012 3:06 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Beethoven's "Hammerklavier" and Opus 109
Replies: 90
Views: 12732

Re: Beethoven's "Hammerklavier" and Opus 109

It is difficult for me to separate the movements because of the introduction to the Hammerklavier, which is so orchestral in its conception leading to the remaining movements. No wonder that sonata inspired Felix Weingartner to orchestrate the whole work. Pianistically or orchestrally, it makes an ...
by absinthe
Fri Jul 13, 2012 8:20 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: About Heitor Villa-Lobos:
Replies: 35
Views: 6587

Re: About Heitor Villa-Lobos:

The topic got me returning to this composer and particularly the works you mention - performed by the N Y Wind Quintet. Their recordings (on the Boston Skyline label) include many other works, including Barber’s Summer Music, beautifully played, when you consider the endurance needed and performance...
by absinthe
Thu Jul 12, 2012 2:02 pm
Forum: Corner Pub
Topic: Google Nexus vs. Kindle - and iPad?
Replies: 9
Views: 1251

Re: Google Nexus vs. Kindle - and iPad?

July 12 (Bloomberg) -- It’s the most-asked question by consumers about any new tech gadget: “Should I get this now or is something better coming along soon?” For buyers of Amazon’s Kindle Fire, we now have the answer: You should have waited. Google’s new Nexus 7 is aimed directly at the Kindle Fire...
by absinthe
Thu Jul 12, 2012 9:35 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: The First Person in musical composition
Replies: 87
Views: 12811

Re: The First Person in musical composition

However, I think you make salient points about Berg and Schoenberg - the former writes very 'lush' music and has a deeply theatrical sense of the music. In thinking about him, I go back mentally to my Piano Sonata of his and this is dramatic and tender - but I think he eschewed the more ascetic ele...
by absinthe
Thu Jul 12, 2012 8:40 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Trying to find slow, meditative solo piano pieces
Replies: 16
Views: 4259

Re: Trying to find slow, meditative solo piano pieces

Debussy. Further preludes might be Danseuses de Delphes La Fille aux Cheveux de Lin Here are a few pieces I (try to) play when in that mood and it's late at night! Paderewski: Nocturne in Bb Op 16 No 4 Palmgren: Berceuse Liszt: Transcendental Study No 11 "Harmonies du Soir" Chopin: Mazurka in F mino...