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jbuck919 wrote:one of the most civilized countries in the world?

Don't confuse complete sissification with being 'civilized'.

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FUN I think that's precisely the type of attitude that makes people stay away from classical music. Threating your audience like children isn't the best of ideas when you're a dealing with a subject as serious as high art. We live in culture obsessed with infantilism and then we expect people to pi...

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This was the case with composers of the post-war period with the serialist techniques of Webern. If only the 'serialists' actually understood Webern. As for post-war tonality, why is it that those so called 'traditionalists' are so bland? Ok, so modern music is too 'complex' for most people (as if ...

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I would play four notes on any instrument and tell you their technical names (I don't think you'd have much trouble remembering the letters of an ordinary scale). I would then let you rest for approximately five minutes, and would play you four more notes. Some would be the "test" notes, and others...

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Mr. Opus, you need to be tested for absolute pitch. It is an easy test (I could do it for you in a cold minute). I don't know what the level of your musicianship is, but some people who don't know they have it just don't know notes. It is not necessary to be a trained musician (as opposed to am avi...

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Corlyss_D wrote: Not looking for a fight here, just information. Why?

Because he sounds completely out of tune, and i mean a lot.

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There is a huge difference between flat and sharp on the one hand and out of tune on the other. Many especially older "original instrument" performances have their out of tune moments. It is not the same as a difference in concert pitch. But it's not that they have mere 'out of tune moments', i'm t...

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Well, has far as national leaders go, Putin does score rather well on the 'virility' department: http://www.hulc.org/blog/Putin%20Rules.jpg http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/c/ce/Vladimir_Putin_martial_arts.jpg http://www.dwightleister4congress2006.com/Leistersite_IMGs/putin.jpg Not supr...

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And concert pitch has changed by about a half-step since the 18th century, meaning that Mozart would hear any of his works as being in the wrong key. Heh, you don't have to have perfect pitch for that. A lot of HIP recordings sound blatantly out of tune to me, and while i managed to get more or les...

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Is the name 'Jesus' common among Puerto Ricans?

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but your notion that music can be listened discreetly when well trained musicians and professors said that they can't is a "dead give away" about you. :roll: Which trained musicians, and which professors? I doubt i'm the one only person who has ever enjoyed the Art of Fugue to a high level of degre...

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Have you been holding out on us? (You come across as a neophyte. No one but a long-term connoisseur would know the Academy recordings of Telemann.) Seems to me like Fluter is a recent victim of the neo-relativists. Just the idea he really believed there were 'thousands' of great composers out there...

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premont wrote:But who of the two composers wrote the most deep music??

Scarlatti, no question about it. I still consider Buxtehude to be the best composer of the middle baroque though.

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So the Baroque eras had few composers who did solo keyboard music? Bach seems like an anomaly then. No, the Baroque era has an exorbitant number of composers for the keyboard, it's just that only few are any good. Let's not forget the Baroque is when instrumental music became really prominent for t...

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I'm not intending to buy any of Telemann's piano music (if there are any). I'm just curious of composers who lived across two periods, and see if any adopted the new styles in their later lives and how they fared compared to the new generation of classical composers. Jan Dismas Zelenka is the best ...

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there is Padre Antonio Soler, who wrote some things very much worth hearing. I don't know how many pianists recorded his music - certainly Alicia De Larrocha is one with whose recordings I remember being impressed. Scott Ross did a disc of some of his music. Wasn't too impressed. He's decent when h...

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"The cause for obesity in everyone is the same," said Dr. Samuel Klein, director of the Center for Human Nutrition at the Washington University School of Medicine in St. Louis. "You eat more calories than you burn up; You can't get away from that basic law of physics."

Topic closed.

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I can follow the three voice fugues in the WTC from start to finish as "it's own monody" but that actually detracts from the experience, because I see the voices are just not like that. When they take the melody at different times and the others just act as decoration, ornaments like the gargoyles ...

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"One can measure the greatness and the moral progress of a nation by looking at how it treats its animals." And there i was thinking the moral progress of a nation could be exacted by looking on how it treats it's people . I wonder how many of those so called 'animal activists' (as if there weren't...

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It is not strictly homophony, but it shares the idea. Basically you only focus your attention on the appropriate parts at each point of time and let the rest act as background sounds. Even when you are not paying attention to them they still work to make the music "proper", if there is a note wrong...

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As the grandchild of an Italian farmer and cattle tender, i learned not to be skirmish about animal cruelty a long time ago (i had to, considering a lot of them ended up in my plate). To be frank, i don't understand the level of extreme indignation some people have towards the killing or wounding of...

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No, the voices are different. From where i stand, they are not. I don't know exactly what is it that you are exacting from the score, but i know what my hears tell me and i can clearly discern every voice of the WTC as if it was it's own entity, and that is the only way i can understand the work. I...

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Three voices prevail in the WTC. Only one fugue, the great C-sharp minor from the first book, is in five voices, and it is not in a strict sense complete (though it is--and in spades--in an artistic sense). The list i posted seems to indicate the WTC alternates between three and four voices, with a...

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Depends on what you mean by effect. There are a lot of watered down romantic performances of the work, where you basically listen it hollistically like a monophonic work. And if the musicians rub the string enough, even twinkle twinkle can be emotional. I enjoy the Art of Fugue to a similar level i...

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My very point was that those voices do not need to be followed like continuous melodies with 100 percent of your attention like the voices in the Art of Fugue. Yes it is polyphony but the voices are not that stand alone that you need to follow them with 100 percent of your attention like when you a...

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The WTC and Goldberg do not have voices that are continuous from start to end like the Art of Fugue does, when one voice carries on the melody, the other ones tend to subside into accompanyment. No it doesn't, the 'accompaniment' IS the polyphony. The various parts don't have to be in imitation in ...

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See, we were misunderstanding each other, (jbuck, me and you). I was talking about following each with 100 percent attention. I don't think you have to do that in order to grasp all four parts. When you expand your mind to include more then two voices your focus begins to dim but you can still see ...

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I think you misunderstood me, by the voices being continuous I meant that they were supposed to be individual melodies from beginning to end. I feel that the art of fugue is something like that. I though this was about polyphony in general. I just recently had to explain part writing to a friend (w...

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I thought you said you can follow the art of fugue perfectly? Then why are you saying that 3 parts is tough as hell? The Art of Fugue has 4 voices and the fugue for 2 clavs has 8 voices. You said if it was possible to follow the Art of Fugue in full, i didn't say that I was able to do it perfectly....

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Here's an example of what i'm talking about: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DReB68fvfJ8 Starting from 3:00, he plays that piece really slowly, and you can clearly tell there's three lines going, one in the bass, one in the middle and the one he's playing with the right hand. Do you see what i mean? ...

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Yes, but some music seem to have voices that just support the ones that carry the melody, instead of being entirely independent. I don't think there are any written rules about this. Some composers didn't even follow form too closely. Handel for instance has a lot of 'fake' fugues where the music s...

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No ordinary person within the parameters of what is possible outside an extreme range can do this. It is not desirable in the first place. It was not intended by the composers themselves, who knew that they were appreciated if at all holistically. I assure you, I could go down the list of our membe...

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I know that Fugues and Canons are supposed to have individual voices, but that is not true for all forms right? For Baroque music and back, all forms are polyphonic, with almost no exception (the most glaring of which are operatic monodies, or vocal music in general which uses a lot of homophony). ...

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No one, and I mean no one, listens to classical music with an intent to follow what is going on in every voice or part. Well, call me crazy then, because i just trained myself to do exactly that for the past year and half. :? It's still quite difficult even after becoming accustomed to the basic co...

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A lot of composers had less then ideal personalities. Frankly, i'm fine with it, and i'd gladly meet Penderecki.

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I cannot let that go unchallenged. He is one of the finest musicians here, and I was only remarking that he happens to be a particular afficianado of the Russian composers, and has occasionally gotten on my case for my alleged Germanophilia. I never seen Karl openly criticize an artist before, poss...

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(The piano was invented in Bach's time and he knew about and even tried a few of them and liked them; From what i remember, he found a few draw backs in the instrument and he gave constructive feedback which was later incorporated in the design, so he actually had a role in the development of the i...

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Absolutely right, and it is not as easy to listen to as Debussy either... Jbuck is right (he usually is). Prokofiev piano music doesn't even begin to approach Debussy late masterpieces for the instrument. To be frank, i never actually heard anything by the former which i could objectively call a ma...

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While I'm here, allow me to diverge a bit. I mentioned paraphrases and simplified English versions, which are the devil's work if ever there could be such a thing. It is not necessary to go that far to find tendentious and preposterous modernizing translations, particularly in editions that are app...

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slofstra wrote: Matthew Henry - I would avoid like the plague.

Why, i was under the impression it was a classic in theological commentary.

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An 'original' Jerusalem bible?? That phrase confuses me. dj There's nothing confusing about it. The Jerusalem Bible was an old translation prepared by the Dominican Biblical School in Jerusalem (hence, the name), issue in 1956 in french, which was then reproduced into english in 1966. The latter wa...

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Since you mentioned the "original Jerusalem Bible" and the fact that English is not your first language, I assume you mean the French Bible de Jerusalem. No, i meant the actual English translation (my first language is Italian). I understand it's actually a translation of a translation, but it was ...

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Just because i'm curious to see what type of answer i may get. I just picked up reading the Bible (as literature as well for it's cultural value), and i was wondering if there were any 'bibliophiles' (including the fundies i guess) here that could guide me through the best biblical literature. As fa...

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Are you trying to teach us Jews of our own God given Bible? Have you lost your mind? Since i believe the Bible was the creation of mere mortals, i think i could probably extrapolate the text better then most fundamentalists (both Jewish or Christians) given i cared enough. What surprised me about y...

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Cain’s Death Tubal-Cain’s father, the sixth generation from Cain, was Lemech. Lemech grew old and became blind. One day Tubal-Cain, his youngest son, led him out into the fields to hunt for food. Far off, Tubal-Cain saw something moving that looked like a monstrous animal. He advised the blind Leme...

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Cain was afraid that God will punish him, and one of his descendants will kill him. Alternatively, he was afraid that the animals will kill him. (source: "Rashi" Genesis 4:15) Both answers are nonsense, of course. Cain had a wife and a lineage, which implies there was sombody out there besides him,...

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SaulChanukah wrote:Evolutionism doesnt believe that God created man.
They dont believe in God.

What there is to argue?

Don't believe in your god you mean.

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Everyone in the bible was busily begetting but with who? Perhaps the women were created nearby in another county. By the time of Cain and Abel the earth was already populated. This type of incongruence is common in the bible. This is due the fact the old testament is nothing but a collage of variou...

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Krystian Zimerman. That's all i'm going to say. The man is a genius.

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Wait a minute… didn’t the Egyptian tyrants saw with their eyes, and heard with their own ears and witnessed on their on flesh all the miracles that God had done to the Jewish people and all the plagues that he brought upon Egypt? I was thinking more in the lines of cultures that had no relation wha...

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