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It's funny; there's nothing particularly antagonistic or harsh about my original post. Lance didn't think so either. He had asked a question which I noticed contained a possible answer, the use of a questionable term for possible female members. And I elaborated that a good way to go about having a ...

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I also call women ladies because I was born numerous decades ago. No generation is alike and none should impose its language on the other. Furthermore, to appropriate women as being only representative of "contemporary music" can hardly be viewed as a pro-women statement. Activists for women's caus...

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It's a conundrum. The first was for a long time my favorite piano concerto, right up until I first heard the second, in a very dubious performance, too, by the way, with horrible sonics. But it's qualities still managed to shine through. I don't listen to either one much any more, but the second is ...

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They are certainly MOST welcome here. If I were a female, I would feel most UNwelcome on a board that had a thread entitled "Where are all the ladies?" There may have been a time when it might have flown to refer to women as "the ladies," though that would have been a time prior to universal suffer...

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There are noise artists in other countries. Japan just gets all the love, is all. If there's a problem with classical music sustaining itself, it's nothing to do with the general public, which has never given a rat's fart about it. An ossified canon, with new audiences being wooed not with new music...

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I thought we'd done this before here. Maybe not. The CD and the LP are two storage mediums. But so is the computer. My entire CD collection will fit on a three terabyte external hard drive, with room to spare. The hard drive doesn't change size as I add files to it. Its weight remains the same as we...

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... He would have given them pasty, washed out skin.

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Interesting. I was wondering if Bob had had a stroke or something. My dad sounded very much like that after his stroke. Agreed about the stuff that might be Pub worthy, too. Isn't it great that oppressed people can find happiness anyway? So that we don't have to feel bad about them being oppressed? ...

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Kurka's opera, The Good Soldier Schweik, as well.

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Henry, I guess our ideas of legitimacy are quite different. When I was a kid, first exploring the world of classical music, I came across people like this Dutch girl. Yes, even in the early sixties, there were people like this. The only thing I felt was revulsion. This type of "popularization" certa...

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Not sure how popularization is going to keep "classical music" alive. Not sure how playing the same five or six already popular pieces over and over again is going to popularize classical music generally. Out of all the people who broke into applause as soon as they recognized this immensely popular...

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I love this piece.

So much so that I have found myself forgiving Virgil for a lot of things, including The Mother of Us All.

(I consider Ms. Stein to be my literary mom, just by the way. In case anyone's interested.

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Tarantella wrote:Art criticism and appreciation is not about philosophy, but philosophy has been put on the agenda by the avant garde.

Hmmm. Isn't this backwards? Philosophy is about art criticism and appreciation. (That branch of philosophy is called aesthetics.)

Art has been on philosophy's agenda for forever.

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Somebody needs to reply to this post!

Ursula is my favorite of the old school female composers.

The freshest and most interesting.

And only a decade older than Pauline Oliveros.

Last century was volcanic.

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Yes, I would have said that Simkin's agenda was not to debunk the whole concept of artistic quality but to debunk the two other things--the pretensions of the cognescenti and the pretensions of modern art to be considered worthwhile. Neither one of these things is even worth debunking. The cognescen...

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I have no interest in derailing the Ross/Gergiev thread, but I had a lot of issues* with Ross's review, or at least the excerpt we were provided, part of which follows, with interruptions: The Rachmaninoff program had the virtue of avoiding late-Romantic sentimentality. Gergiev caught the grim mood ...

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Here's what I think about this situation: you have no duty at all so far as enjoying or not enjoying anything goes. You can say, for yourself, at any point, "I've heard enough, I don't like this, or I don't understand this, or this is too hard." Why, you could even say it at the first difficult mome...

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Courageous indeed!! This looks like a film of one of my recurring nightmares. I took a conducting seminar with Herbert Blomstedt many years ago and got to live the nightmare. And it looked exactly like this. But you! With a real orchestra and with cameras rolling? Wow. You have our most profound res...

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My very dear barney, speaking for myself, I want to preserve the music of composers who died long ago, which coincidentally happens to be in the past. In the same way, I want to read people who died long ago, in the past. They have insights that remain important.* I was talking about terminology, po...

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Yeah.

Odds are the patron means something very much like what people mean when they say something sounds "American."

They are not referring to Mumma or Tudor, guaranteed.

Not even to Sessions or Carter, I'll warrant.

(Hmmm. Am I talking insurance or music, here?

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Well, there are Chinese composers, both acoustic and electronic, but I don't know if any of them sound Chinese, per se. I can recall a vaguely Oriental sound to some isolated bits of things. But those bits don't sound much different from chinoiserie done by a composer from Duluth or from Vilnius. It...

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Both articles are about performers. So it's not so much "the future of classical music" as it is "the future of the continued performance of the music of composers who died long ago, in the past. (Bach and Mozart were mentioned.)" The future of classical music as a living tradition, as the continuin...

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Music will go wherever it goes, regardless. That is, it will go wherever composers take it. If you want it to go in a particular direction, then you will become a composer and write the music that goes in the direction you want music to go. But, of course, there will be other composers, going in dif...

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And thank you for sharing....

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I would love to hear this piece live. I'll have to see if Dahinden will be doing that again in Europe some time soon. Pieces like this are not really very easy to play--not that that makes a whit of difference as to how effective the piece is. Pieces like this require quite a lot from the listener, ...

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Hilarious.

(Though I hasten to add that I'm only laughing to keep away the tears.)

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So look to where orchestras are doing well, or at least better. Look at what they've done. Could what they've done work in the US? Maybe not. Be worth a try. What we're doing now is not working, obviously. So why not? Play new music. Really new. Play it a lot. Piss off a lot of people. Oh well. Bett...

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Well, the set is indeed that for Siegfried, which is causing a huge kerfluffle over there in that Bayreuth place.

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The conductor of the Orpheus Chamber Orchestra.

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Really John. A single event is not a series. Period.

And however compelling it may be to speculate that a single event may not indeed be single, without any evidence, it's still nothing more than speculation.

It's certainly not reasonable.

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One accident does not make you accident-prone.

Only a string of accidents makes you that.

I couldn't find (in an admittedly brief survey) any evidence that Andris has had a string of accidents.

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Wow. Yes, "and so it goes" references Vonnegut, though how by all that's holy you were able to leap from that observation to the conclusion that my "three Ts," which is no more than my own little play on "the three Bs," is somehow to be found in Kurt Vonnegut's writings.... And also to be noted, my ...

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Really guys? You stretch my credulity beyond its breaking point, you do indeed. Even with the added emphasis, you still can say you don't get it? Well, that's a fine howdy-do, to be sure. Though not unprecedented. Reading in order to construct a (false) meaning rather than to understand what's actua...

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I really don't know what you're talking about. In the same paragraph I said I liked it. Picking a fight again? John, you should really learn to read some time.* That is, learn to understand the text that's in front of you rather than using the text to create chimerical scenarios out of. My comment ...

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John F wrote:So what about the music? It really is music, which is not always how it is with Stockhausen

(emphasis mine)

Ah, the three Ts: tedious, tendentious, and tiresome.

(Too bad aggravating doesn't begin with "t," eh?)

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And still one of the youngest conductors around. (If "old" and "young" mean anything beyond numbers.)

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Honestly I find this completely pointless, who cares about the Big Five anymore, America is a huge country with many fine Orchestras, ranking them will never find everyone in agreement, the Big Orchestras, the Big TV Networks, the Big Record Labels, everything has changed since these original lists...

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Mehta

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Cool!!

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John F wrote:
dulcinea wrote:Today, when new classical music turns more people off than on, with honorable exceptions like some guy....

It is good fun, I must say!

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Interesting the things that can be done with the concept of time. I guess I don't see time as a valuable commodity of which there is only so much, but as something to spend doing what you enjoy. Or even as discovering things to enjoy. That is, I find that I don't listen to music so much to hear what...

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You know, "le Rat" is amusing, but "Barenboring"? Genius.

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The letter "f" is not what you use in English to make a "sh" sound.

You use "sh."

Gramophone fould really know better.

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Very cool.

Not that I regret the past ten years of travel, expense and time for my own, personal rich, kaleidoscopic exploration of a lot of things.

Still. Point well taken.

And great news.

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aka Tout un monde lointain.

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I assume you meant to say something like "best" in front of "compositions." (As far as I know, there is no question of attribution for Dutilleux.) And that question almost always elicits--eventually--a list of almost all of a composer's works. In Dutilleux's case, since his output (like his compatri...

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Chalkperson wrote:I'm one of the ones here who does listen to a reasonable amount of Contemporary Music.

Ah. That's where we differ, for sure.

I listen to an unreasonable amount of contemporary music.

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It is impossible, because you make it so, you are trying to pick a fight again, why would any of us waste our time, it's simply not worth it, Actually, Chalkie, it's more like me anticipating that John F will have something snarky to say. Which, as you've seen, he indeed did! whatever any if us say...

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At the risk of John F's trying to knock perhaps imaginary chips off of my shoulder, I would say from what I've heard that Sven Helbig is in our time not of it. It used to be that in and of were synonymous. Since 1810, that has gradually become less so. With the advent of recording technology, that b...

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Define "contemporary" just right and almost everyone likes "contemporary music." That ain't no thang. Helbig writes nice, pretty music that even listeners like Lance can appreciate without leaving the comfort of their metaphorical easy chairs. That he produced this music recently says very little (n...

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