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by slofstra
Wed Mar 24, 2021 7:53 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Bernstein/Haydn box.
Replies: 3
Views: 1888

Re: Bernstein/Haydn box.

Here is something I wrote about this box, back in 2012. http://www.classicalmusicguide.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=39063&p=410615&hilit=bernstein+haydn#p410615 I do remember the box was somewhat uneven. On the basis of that post, I was able to find my impressions of that box noted in my journal. First ...
by slofstra
Tue Mar 23, 2021 10:34 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Who Listens Through Headphones
Replies: 46
Views: 58565

Re: Who Listens Through Headphones

My son just alerted me to this site. https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php There's also a youtube channel to accompany the information on the site. Excellent reviews. OMG, Henry! The first listing on the headphones review page is for a pair of $3,000 cans! Yikes! :shock: That, my frien...
by slofstra
Mon Mar 22, 2021 11:11 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Who Listens Through Headphones
Replies: 46
Views: 58565

Re: Who Listens Through Headphones

My son just alerted me to this site.
https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php
There's also a youtube channel to accompany the information on the site.

Excellent reviews.
by slofstra
Mon Mar 22, 2021 11:08 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: André Previn--Complete Warner Recordings
Replies: 13
Views: 6238

Re: André Previn--Complete Warner Recordings

Which is the better of the two boxes, and why?
by slofstra
Thu Mar 18, 2021 1:01 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Who Listens Through Headphones
Replies: 46
Views: 58565

Re: Who Listens Through Headphones

What you really want for headphones is a pair of these, with matching headphone amp, from a company called Raal. https://raalrequisite.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/hsasr1a.jpg.webp You're looking at a range of $4500 to $8500 depending on options. I would buy these up in a jiff, but I seldom use h...
by slofstra
Thu Mar 18, 2021 10:29 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Who Listens Through Headphones
Replies: 46
Views: 58565

Re: Who Listens Through Headphones

What you really want for headphones is a pair of these, with matching headphone amp, from a company called Raal. https://raalrequisite.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/hsasr1a.jpg.webp You're looking at a range of $4500 to $8500 depending on options. I would buy these up in a jiff, but I seldom use he...
by slofstra
Thu Mar 18, 2021 10:23 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Who Listens Through Headphones
Replies: 46
Views: 58565

Re: Who Listens Through Headphones

Been doing just fine lo these past twenty years with my second pair of Koss Pro4 AA's. Might have to fork over for a third set, though, as my cord's got a short in it and I can't solder. That was the original pair of Koss's I bought years ago. So, just remember that if they ever break, Koss will re...
by slofstra
Wed Mar 17, 2021 2:42 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Who Listens Through Headphones
Replies: 46
Views: 58565

Re: Who Listens Through Headphones

I use Sennheiser HD 650s. I also have a pair of top of the line Koss. Interesting story on those. I had an ancient pair of Koss headphones, again top of the line, but they were broken. A friend of mine with a small recording studio urged me to send them in to Koss as they have a lifetime warranty. S...
by slofstra
Tue Mar 16, 2021 2:16 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Greatest chamber work
Replies: 40
Views: 11021

Re: Greatest chamber work

I'm quite fond of 'The Soldier's Tale'. Does that one count?
by slofstra
Thu Mar 11, 2021 1:27 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Opinions sought on a box set of recordings of Vagn Holmboe's Symphonies
Replies: 8
Views: 2940

Re: Opinions sought on a box set of recordings of Vagn Holmboe's Symphonies

I punched Holmboe into my Youtube Music subscription, and here is what they have. It looks like the Holmboe lifetime listening plan to me. :) Some of the chamber concertoes with Hannu Koivula are listed, although not all. Albums Holmboe: Concertos Album • Vagn Holmboe • 2013 Holmboe: Piano Concerto ...
by slofstra
Thu Mar 11, 2021 1:05 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Opinions sought on a box set of recordings of Vagn Holmboe's Symphonies
Replies: 8
Views: 2940

Re: Opinions sought on a box set of recordings of Vagn Holmboe's Symphonies

I'll have to look into this. Scandinavian composers punch far above their weight I think and there are quite a number to whom I listen from Stenhammar to Langgard. I had not heard of Holmboe before.
by slofstra
Tue Mar 09, 2021 9:54 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: 5 Minutes That Will Make You Love Tenors
Replies: 10
Views: 2620

Re: 5 Minutes That Will Make You Love Tenors

Just a little side note. Rufus Wainwright mentions his father, Loudon, who did not like opera. Loudon Wainwright III's claim to fame is a hit song called 'Dead Skunk in the Middle of the Road'. There's not many people who haven't heard of it. Clearly Rufus received his musical sensibility from his m...
by slofstra
Tue Mar 09, 2021 9:43 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Greatest chamber work
Replies: 40
Views: 11021

Re: Greatest chamber work

Drats, I just wrote 2-300 words then accidentally hit exit. Here goes again. I submit that 'great' is a different qualification from 'best' and I accept diegobuono's description that a great piece must stand the test of time and have a degree of broad audience acceptance. A 'great' piece should also...
by slofstra
Sat Mar 06, 2021 7:20 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: 1982 Essay on the N. Y. Philharmonic: WHY ISN'T THE PHILARMONIC BETTER?
Replies: 24
Views: 8371

Re: 1982 Essay on the N. Y. Philharmonic: WHY ISN'T THE PHILARMONIC BETTER?

My, that's quite a lot, isn't it? There are quite a few titles available on amazon that I must explore as well, since I haven't heard everything he's done. I know you love the Berlin Philharmonic's site though, and it's under consideration for me to join as well. That said, I just ordered the lates...
by slofstra
Thu Mar 04, 2021 11:02 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: 1982 Essay on the N. Y. Philharmonic: WHY ISN'T THE PHILARMONIC BETTER?
Replies: 24
Views: 8371

Re: 1982 Essay on the N. Y. Philharmonic: WHY ISN'T THE PHILARMONIC BETTER?

An interesting overview. I personally favour the CSO above all of the others - not that I've analyzed rigorously. I have far more European orchestra's in my CD collection. Same here - they've maintained top position for so many years/decades...I've always loved NYPO....Where I studied [Eastman] was...
by slofstra
Wed Mar 03, 2021 8:28 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: 1982 Essay on the N. Y. Philharmonic: WHY ISN'T THE PHILARMONIC BETTER?
Replies: 24
Views: 8371

Re: 1982 Essay on the N. Y. Philharmonic: WHY ISN'T THE PHILARMONIC BETTER?

An interesting overview. I personally favour the CSO above all of the others - not that I've analyzed rigorously. I have far more European orchestra's in my CD collection. Same here - they've maintained top position for so many years/decades...I've always loved NYPO....Where I studied [Eastman] was...
by slofstra
Wed Mar 03, 2021 2:14 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: 120-disc Ormandy Columbia Legacy box is in the works
Replies: 134
Views: 61391

Re: 120-disc Ormandy Columbia Legacy box is in the works

I just ordered mine from amazon.ca. The price here is $CDN 233.88 with free delivery. Amazon.com is showing a price of $US299.98 + $72.59 for shipping. With an 80 cent dollar right now that works out to - (8 + 9) x 5 / 4, carry the 7, et cetera - twice as much!
by slofstra
Tue Mar 02, 2021 10:16 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: 1982 Essay on the N. Y. Philharmonic: WHY ISN'T THE PHILARMONIC BETTER?
Replies: 24
Views: 8371

Re: 1982 Essay on the N. Y. Philharmonic: WHY ISN'T THE PHILARMONIC BETTER?

Fascinating, Brian. The last paragraph is prescient. Are the big five still the same? I've always thought the "Big Five" concept was basically fictitious - musically, at least....economically, perhaps there is more validity [ie - size of budget, pay rates, length of season, etc] I suppose there was...
by slofstra
Tue Mar 02, 2021 10:12 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: 1982 Essay on the N. Y. Philharmonic: WHY ISN'T THE PHILARMONIC BETTER?
Replies: 24
Views: 8371

Re: 1982 Essay on the N. Y. Philharmonic: WHY ISN'T THE PHILARMONIC BETTER?

Henry, I'm sorry, but for me there was no link at all, just white space. Did others receive the link? Do you mind trying again? Hello, Barney. Have you tried using a different browser? When I read that post with Chrome, I see a youtube box with the usual arrow in the center. When I click on it, it ...
by slofstra
Fri Feb 26, 2021 10:03 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: 1982 Essay on the N. Y. Philharmonic: WHY ISN'T THE PHILARMONIC BETTER?
Replies: 24
Views: 8371

Re: 1982 Essay on the N. Y. Philharmonic: WHY ISN'T THE PHILARMONIC BETTER?

Henry, was there something missing on the end of your post? I was awaiting the insights with interest. Or are you suggesting that I can provide insights on dinosaurs from my experience of being one? Brian, thanks for that link.I read some of the discussion, and I too prefer the Alpine Symphony to E...
by slofstra
Thu Feb 25, 2021 12:47 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: 1982 Essay on the N. Y. Philharmonic: WHY ISN'T THE PHILARMONIC BETTER?
Replies: 24
Views: 8371

Re: 1982 Essay on the N. Y. Philharmonic: WHY ISN'T THE PHILARMONIC BETTER?

Thank you Brian, so interesting to see your thoughts. I still use a desktop by the way; I find the phone too irritating. But I am a dinosaur - a brontosaurus perhaps, with a tiny pinhead on a long neck going munch, munch, munch. :D I strongly agree with your observations about standards today. In A...
by slofstra
Sat Feb 20, 2021 10:31 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: What NEW discs/music are you adding to your collection?
Replies: 4710
Views: 2494442

Re: What NEW discs/music are you adding to your collection?

Modest Moussorgsky's Pictures at an Exhibition has fascinated me since I first heard the Ravel orchestral version in a recording by Fritz Reiner as a young lad. I have a Vox Turnabout lp ( poor sound ) of Alfred Brendel playing "Pictures" recorded in the early '50's.The lp also has him playing " Is...
by slofstra
Fri Feb 19, 2021 1:31 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: What NEW discs/music are you adding to your collection?
Replies: 4710
Views: 2494442

Re: What NEW discs/music are you adding to your collection?

https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/81sCICHzKvL._AC_UY436_FMwebp_QL65_.jpg Modest Moussorgsky's Pictures at an Exhibition has fascinated me since I first heard the Ravel orchestral version in a recording by Fritz Reiner as a young lad. Soon after, I discovered the piano version, and it was off to t...
by slofstra
Fri Feb 19, 2021 1:08 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: 120-disc Ormandy Columbia Legacy box is in the works
Replies: 134
Views: 61391

Re: 120-disc Ormandy Columbia Legacy box is in the works

Some great Ormandy quotes. I have more, if anyone wants them. My favourites are the ones in bold. Now we will play something we have never played before. I didn't mean that. Mahler wrote it as the 3rd Movement of his 4th Symphony. I mean the 4th Movement of his 1st Symphony - we play it third. The ...
by slofstra
Thu Feb 18, 2021 10:20 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: What NEW discs/music are you adding to your collection?
Replies: 4710
Views: 2494442

Re: What NEW discs/music are you adding to your collection?

Sorry, Henry, but I've searched amazon USA thoroughly, and, while they do have downloads available, strangely they haven't made the album available for streaming, even though it's been there since 2017. Unfortunately, I don't subscribe to youtube premium, and I'm not about to do so just to hear one...
by slofstra
Thu Feb 18, 2021 9:42 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: What NEW discs/music are you adding to your collection?
Replies: 4710
Views: 2494442

Re: What NEW discs/music are you adding to your collection?

https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/713x1kXHBpL._AC_UY436_FMwebp_QL65_.jpg This excellent CD of popular music by Ralph Vaughan-Williams features Andrew Manze and Canadian violinist James Ehnes in a beautifully recorded CD that captures the strings of the Royal Liverpool Philharmonic Orchestra with ...
by slofstra
Thu Feb 18, 2021 7:25 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: What NEW discs/music are you adding to your collection?
Replies: 4710
Views: 2494442

Re: What NEW discs/music are you adding to your collection?

https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/713x1kXHBpL._AC_UY436_FMwebp_QL65_.jpg This excellent CD of popular music by Ralph Vaughan-Williams features Andrew Manze and Canadian violinist James Ehnes in a beautifully recorded CD that captures the strings of the Royal Liverpool Philharmonic Orchestra with ...
by slofstra
Tue Feb 09, 2021 11:08 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: What NEW discs/music are you adding to your collection?
Replies: 4710
Views: 2494442

Re: What NEW discs/music are you adding to your collection?

As far as bailing out early, the demand streaming (Youtube Music) inserts gaps between each of the 22 tracks and in this case I could only put up with that for a while. Really annoying. Hello, Henry! Your experience that I quoted above is precisely the reason why I still buy CDs, aside from the fac...
by slofstra
Tue Feb 09, 2021 10:53 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Its Musicians Are Out of Work, but the Met Is Streaming
Replies: 8
Views: 2349

Re: Its Musicians Are Out of Work, but the Met Is Streaming

Couple of questions. Do you get a reduced price on the performance if you subscribe to the Met's 'Opera on Demand' offering? Are there English subtitles for all the songs and aria's in her performance? Thanks. 1) Each concert is available separately for $20 for about two weeks, after then it just d...
by slofstra
Mon Feb 08, 2021 6:34 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Its Musicians Are Out of Work, but the Met Is Streaming
Replies: 8
Views: 2349

Re: Its Musicians Are Out of Work, but the Met Is Streaming

Couple of questions.

Do you get a reduced price on the performance if you subscribe to the Met's 'Opera on Demand' offering?

Are there English subtitles for all the songs and aria's in her performance?

Thanks.
by slofstra
Mon Feb 08, 2021 6:25 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: What NEW discs/music are you adding to your collection?
Replies: 4710
Views: 2494442

Re: What NEW discs/music are you adding to your collection?

I have 2 or 3 other recordings of each buried in some multi-CD boxes, which I should take for a spin, but then again, I could just listen to the Haitink performances one more time. Naturally, I'll have to give Haitink a hearing one of these days. 😉 I just checked, and his new LSO Live recording can...
by slofstra
Mon Feb 08, 2021 6:12 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: What NEW discs/music are you adding to your collection?
Replies: 4710
Views: 2494442

Re: What NEW discs/music are you adding to your collection?

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/91T-p2C59FL._SX425_.jpg A few months ago, diegobueno and I had a wonderful discussion here in a thread about contemporary composers, during which he posted some very interesting examples of recent music on youtube. One of the composers I determined t...
by slofstra
Sun Feb 07, 2021 10:18 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Shostakovich String Quartets
Replies: 8
Views: 2346

Re: Shostakovich String Quartets

Drat, my last post here just went to the great bit bucket in the sky. If you coincide with someone else's post as I have just done, you have to be very careful how you answer, or you lose your post. The software should just post and not notify you. I wondered if the lack of engagement to the Shostak...
by slofstra
Sat Feb 06, 2021 3:24 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Beethoven's " Grosse Fugue" for piano duet
Replies: 5
Views: 1644

Re: Beethoven's " Grosse Fugue" for piano duet

I don't know about Beethoven, but I know that much of Brahms' work exists in the two piano format as a source of additional income. 19th century composers, living prior to the age of mechanical and electronic reproduction, earned a significant living from selling piano sheet music for use in piano p...
by slofstra
Sat Feb 06, 2021 3:06 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Shostakovich String Quartets
Replies: 8
Views: 2346

Shostakovich String Quartets

Some years ago I purchased a complete set of the Shostakovich string quartets performed live by the Emerson String Quartet. They're going a little fuzzy in the memory, so I began to play some of them again the other day, and boy, do I ever like this set. Shostakovich is always delightful to the ear,...
by slofstra
Sat Feb 06, 2021 2:47 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: What NEW discs/music are you adding to your collection?
Replies: 4710
Views: 2494442

Re: What NEW discs/music are you adding to your collection?

Do you have a preference between 'Ein Alpensinfonie' and 'Ein Heldenleben'? Good morning! Interesting question, Henry. :D For me it's a no-brainer. When I was a teenager, I fell head-over-heels in love with Rudolf Kempe's first recording of Richard Strauss's Alpine Symphony with the Royal Philharmo...
by slofstra
Fri Feb 05, 2021 3:16 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: What NEW discs/music are you adding to your collection?
Replies: 4710
Views: 2494442

Re: What NEW discs/music are you adding to your collection?

https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/61Dud5Aun0L._UX358_FMwebp_QL85_.jpg Just opened this remarkable 2018 CD from Andrew Davis and the Melbourne Symphony, and I must congratulate Maestro Davis and his orchestra on what may be their finest recording to date. The hall's just-right acoustics are brilli...
by slofstra
Fri Feb 05, 2021 2:21 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: 120-disc Ormandy Columbia Legacy box is in the works
Replies: 134
Views: 61391

Re: 120-disc Ormandy Columbia Legacy box is in the works

As a reference point, here is the listing on jpc.de. Also shows all contents.

For me to obtain it from there will cost 176.46 EURO plus 62.50 EURO shipping.

https://www.jpc.de/jpcng/classic/detail ... m/10394239
by slofstra
Thu Feb 04, 2021 12:33 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: 120-disc Ormandy Columbia Legacy box is in the works
Replies: 134
Views: 61391

Re: 120-disc Ormandy Columbia Legacy box is in the works

The non-Ormandy items, courtesy of Frank Berger @RMCR: Gliere Russian Sailor's Dance from Red Poppy Suite Philadelphia O Caston 1945 Fernandez Batuque Philadelphia O Caston 1945 Tchaikovsky Violin Concerto D major op. 35 Philadelphia O Hilsberg Stern 1949 Saint-Saens Cello Concerto A minor 1 op. 33...
by slofstra
Thu Feb 04, 2021 9:58 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: 120-disc Ormandy Columbia Legacy box is in the works
Replies: 134
Views: 61391

Re: 120-disc Ormandy Columbia Legacy box is in the works

The non-Ormandy items, courtesy of Frank Berger @RMCR: Gliere Russian Sailor's Dance from Red Poppy Suite Philadelphia O Caston 1945 Fernandez Batuque Philadelphia O Caston 1945 Tchaikovsky Violin Concerto D major op. 35 Philadelphia O Hilsberg Stern 1949 Saint-Saens Cello Concerto A minor 1 op. 33...
by slofstra
Tue Feb 02, 2021 2:38 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Notes on Interpreting Chopin
Replies: 41
Views: 10293

Re: Notes on Interpreting Chopin

As a postscript, Janina Fialkowska's Chopin recordings are top notch. They are available on the various music services. She's Canadian, eh! She's already on my list of artists to investigate, thanks to your post here, Henry! 😉 Another French-Canadian pianist I've been listening to quite a bit latel...
by slofstra
Tue Feb 02, 2021 1:13 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: 120-disc Ormandy Columbia Legacy box is in the works
Replies: 134
Views: 61391

Re: 120-disc Ormandy Columbia Legacy box is in the works

FWIW, the Tower Japan site states that this set has the approval of the Phila. Orch. Authorized release with the full cooperation of the Philadelphia Orchestra. Yes, in Japan. That doesn't mean the approval is forthcoming in the USA, or that the orchestra's royalty entitlements aren't quite differe...
by slofstra
Tue Feb 02, 2021 12:02 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: 120-disc Ormandy Columbia Legacy box is in the works
Replies: 134
Views: 61391

Re: 120-disc Ormandy Columbia Legacy box is in the works

It's entirely possible that some of the recordings have slipped out of copyright protection in other countries but not in the US. I'm guessing at this but the USA does protect works for longer time periods than other countries. I thought Sony owned the Columbia catalog lock, stock and barrel. I jus...
by slofstra
Tue Feb 02, 2021 12:00 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Haitink documentary
Replies: 35
Views: 10753

Re: Haitink documentary

Just a footnote that from the Handley set, I frequently pull and play the 'Flos Campi' and the 'Oboe Concerto' which are combined on one disc with the Symphony No. 5.
by slofstra
Tue Feb 02, 2021 11:50 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Notes on Interpreting Chopin
Replies: 41
Views: 10293

Re: Notes on Interpreting Chopin

As a postscript, Janina Fialkowska's Chopin recordings are top notch. They are available on the various music services.
She's Canadian, eh!
by slofstra
Thu Jan 28, 2021 11:28 am
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Notes on Interpreting Chopin
Replies: 41
Views: 10293

Re: Notes on Interpreting Chopin

You may enjoy this description.

by slofstra
Tue Jan 26, 2021 9:54 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Notes on Interpreting Chopin
Replies: 41
Views: 10293

Re: Notes on Interpreting Chopin

Henry, that's the one! A thousand thanks. I'll order it immediately. Free shipping first order, time no object. I also finally read the article, and was fascinated. Do you think that Rubinstein took us away from Chopin? My view is not so, because I find him so poetic, and poetry is the utter essenc...
by slofstra
Tue Jan 26, 2021 9:27 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Notes on Interpreting Chopin
Replies: 41
Views: 10293

Re: Notes on Interpreting Chopin

Brian makes some good points when he refers to the fact that Chopin didn't have a modern powerful grand piano and that should be taken into account when playing his works today. This is where many of our young virtuosi fall down. Note spinning simply because "Hell, I can do it" doesn't cut it with ...
by slofstra
Tue Jan 26, 2021 4:52 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: New Louis Andriessen Recording from Nonesuch
Replies: 1
Views: 1172

Re: New Louis Andriessen Recording from Nonesuch

That could be interesting. Because we've also been discussing Adams' "Short Ride in a Fast Machine" I just pulled and played a CD containing that piece and Andriessen's "De Snelheid", which I think could be subtitled, "Short Ride in a Fast Machine" meets "Sleigh Bells". It's been a while since I pla...
by slofstra
Tue Jan 26, 2021 3:24 pm
Forum: Classical Music Chatterbox
Topic: Notes on Interpreting Chopin
Replies: 41
Views: 10293

Re: Notes on Interpreting Chopin

Brian makes some good points when he refers to the fact that Chopin didn't have a modern powerful grand piano and that should be taken into account when playing his works today. This is where many of our young virtuosi fall down. Note spinning simply because "Hell, I can do it" doesn't cut it with ...