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CD Box Set Sales Drop Off-Any Classical Ramifications?

Post by stenka razin » Wed Jul 09, 2008 9:13 am

From Yahoo-7/9/08..Is there a classical connection? Any guesses or comments? :(


Have boxed sets lost their commercial luster, or can the configuration still shine when managed properly?

Only a handful of enticing boxed sets are due out at year's end. Among them are Rhino's long-in-the-works four-disc Jesus and Mary Chain collection, "The Power of Negative Thinking: B-Sides & Rarities"; the label's multidisc Jane's Addiction box, which is being supervised by drummer Stephen Perkins; and anthologies from Rob Zombie, Nina Simone, Roy Orbison, Dolly Parton and Hall & Oates.

One of the most in-demand items is Neil Young's eternally delayed "Archives Vol. 1," which will come out only on Blu-ray and not on standard CDs, but it remains unclear if it will finally see the light of day by year's end.

"Boxed-set sales have fallen off the cliff; they went from something to nothing," says Bryan Everitt, director of music purchasing at Hastings Entertainment. "This Christmas we will have a limited selection of boxed sets, the slimmest we have ever offered."

Everitt adds labels need to cut the prices of boxed sets.

"Unless the majors seriously look at reducing the price of the boxed set -- they still think they should cost $39.98 or $49.98 -- sales will continue to slide."

Mike Davis, executive VP/GM of Universal Music Enterprises, says that in response to those very concerns, the reissue specialist has launched a new series, Playlist Plus.

It offers three discs at an affordable price, packaged in a Digipak inside a slipsleeve without any booklets. Retail sources say the series carries a list price of $29.99 and a boxlot of $19.58. Acts appearing in the series include the Temptations, Rod Stewart, Marvin Gaye, James Brown, the Allman Brothers Band, the Moody Blues, Kiss and the Velvet Underground.

Not everyone thinks boxed-set sales are off that dramatically. An executive with one of the majors who is not authorized to speak for his company says they're down just like CD sales are. "Everything is relative," he says. "In this environment, you move with the marketplace. So you change your expectations and watch cost much more closely."

The last big boxed-set hit was 2004's four-disc Nirvana collection "With the Lights Out," which has sold 504,000 units, according to Nielsen SoundScan. (Overall boxed-set sales can't be measured; SoundScan doesn't collect data by that configuration.)

"Boxed sets are alive and well as long as you're realistic about your expectations and who the ultimate consumer is," a sales executive who works in catalog for one of the majors says. "There are some artists where you can sell 50,000 units but there are others where you might reach the 15,000-20,000 range, so you have to plan your P&L (profit and loss) accordingly."

While pricing is a concern, there are still certain circumstances when premium prices can still be charged. Newbury Comics head of purchasing Carl Mello cites the limited-edition box for Nine Inch Nails' "Ghosts I-IV," which sold 2,500 copies at $300 a pop, as an example of a project done right. Likewise, the major-label catalog sales executive points out that the high-end version of U2's "The Joshua Tree" reissue at $59.98 sold 37,000 units, while the regular, limited-edition version at $29.98 scanned 123,000.
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Re: CD Box Set Sales Drop Off-Any Classical Ramifications?

Post by Reed » Wed Jul 09, 2008 9:30 am

Well, ALL CD sales are way off, so it's no surprise. I wonder how the labels can make any money on some of the reissues. For instance, EMI just brought out a 30-CD Vaughan-Williams box for around sixty bucks. Good for the consumer, but I wonder if it's cost effective for the label, even if is sells relatively well.

Still, a (possibly short-term) boon for the customer, and I plan to pick up the Vaughan Wms as soon as payday rolls around!

Speaking of new box sets, has anyone heard the Ormandy box on Sony, just out this week? Worth getting? I was hoping for more substantial fare, such as Sibelius, the classical Germans, etc. Seems weighted toward the popier stuff, like Rimsky and a whole disc of Bach arrangements.

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Post by stenka razin » Wed Jul 09, 2008 10:01 am

Reed wrote:Well, ALL CD sales are way off, so it's no surprise. I wonder how the labels can make any money on some of the reissues. For instance, EMI just brought out a 30-CD Vaughan-Williams box for around sixty bucks. Good for the consumer, but I wonder if it's cost effective for the label, even if is sells relatively well.

Still, a (possibly short-term) boon for the customer, and I plan to pick up the Vaughan Wms as soon as payday rolls around!

Speaking of new box sets, has anyone heard the Ormandy box on Sony, just out this week? Worth getting? I was hoping for more substantial fare, such as Sibelius, the classical Germans, etc. Seems weighted toward the popier stuff, like Rimsky and a whole disc of Bach arrangements.

Reed,

The contents of the new Ormandy Sony 10 CD box:


Disc 1 Respighi: The Pines of Rome, The Fountains of Rome, Roman Festivals
Disc 2 Moussorsky/Ravel: Pictures at an Exhibition/ Rimsky-Korsakov: Scheherazade
Disc 3 Rachmaninoff: Symphony No. 2, Vocalise
Disc 4 Tchaikovsky: Symphony No. 5, Serenade for Strings
Disc 5 Bartok: Concerto for Orchestra, The Miraculous Manderin (Suite), Two Pictures
Disc 6 Mendelssohn & Tchaikovsky: Violin Concerti (with Isaac Stern)
Disc 7 Shostakovich: Symphony No. 1, Cello Concerto (with Mstislav Rostropovich)
Disc 8/9 Bach: Orchestral Transcriptions/ "The Bach Album"
Disc 10 "The Romantic Philadelphia Strings" including short works by Barber, Grieg, Tchaikovsky, Sibelius, Vaughan Williams and more

I recommend this box very highly! :D
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Re: CD Box Set Sales Drop Off-Any Classical Ramifications?

Post by Lance » Wed Jul 09, 2008 10:20 am

I missed the announcement on the Ormandy/Sony box. There is much MORE they could have put in the box; his Sibelius, for example (including the mono material) is generally considered outstanding. Are any of the recordings in the new boxed set mono? Stenka, can you show the Sony catalogue number for this, per favore? RCA still has lots of Ormandy that might be worth reissuing. Ormandy seems to have found a cult collecting crowd, which often happens years after a conductor's demise. Biddulph brought out some interesting (old material, superbly remastered), but I believe those CDs are long gone now. And Haydn House has issued outstanding remakes remastered from the original LPs in superb sound.
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Reed wrote:Well, ALL CD sales are way off, so it's no surprise. I wonder how the labels can make any money on some of the reissues. For instance, EMI just brought out a 30-CD Vaughan-Williams box for around sixty bucks. Good for the consumer, but I wonder if it's cost effective for the label, even if is sells relatively well.

Still, a (possibly short-term) boon for the customer, and I plan to pick up the Vaughan Wms as soon as payday rolls around!

Speaking of new box sets, has anyone heard the Ormandy box on Sony, just out this week? Worth getting? I was hoping for more substantial fare, such as Sibelius, the classical Germans, etc. Seems weighted toward the popier stuff, like Rimsky and a whole disc of Bach arrangements.

Reed,

The contents of the new Ormandy Sony 10 CD box:


Disc 1 Respighi: The Pines of Rome, The Fountains of Rome, Roman Festivals
Disc 2 Moussorsky/Ravel: Pictures at an Exhibition/ Rimsky-Korsakov: Scheherazade
Disc 3 Rachmaninoff: Symphony No. 2, Vocalise
Disc 4 Tchaikovsky: Symphony No. 5, Serenade for Strings
Disc 5 Bartok: Concerto for Orchestra, The Miraculous Manderin (Suite), Two Pictures
Disc 6 Mendelssohn & Tchaikovsky: Violin Concerti (with Isaac Stern)
Disc 7 Shostakovich: Symphony No. 1, Cello Concerto (with Mstislav Rostropovich)
Disc 8/9 Bach: Orchestral Transcriptions/ "The Bach Album"
Disc 10 "The Romantic Philadelphia Strings" including short works by Barber, Grieg, Tchaikovsky, Sibelius, Vaughan Williams and more

I recommend this box very highly! :D
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Re: CD Box Set Sales Drop Off-Any Classical Ramifications?

Post by Chalkperson » Wed Jul 09, 2008 10:24 am

The Box sets they are talking about are the over-priced rock compilations, not the Mega Classical Boxes...as for the Ormandy Box I feel they are a bit of a con, you get these nice mini sleeves from the Original LP's but the cd's are all short timewise because they are copies of the LP's, if you want the sleeves than it's great, if not follow Barry's lead and go to Arkiv for the remastered Japanese discs...
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Post by stenka razin » Wed Jul 09, 2008 2:22 pm

Lance wrote:I missed the announcement on the Ormandy/Sony box. There is much MORE they could have put in the box; his Sibelius, for example (including the mono material) is generally considered outstanding. Are any of the recordings in the new boxed set mono? Stenka, can you show the Sony catalogue number for this, per favore? RCA still has lots of Ormandy that might be worth reissuing. Ormandy seems to have found a cult collecting crowd, which often happens years after a conductor's demise. Biddulph brought out some interesting (old material, superbly remastered), but I believe those CDs are long gone now. And Haydn House has issued outstanding remakes remastered from the original LPs in superb sound.
stenka razin wrote:
Reed wrote:Well, ALL CD sales are way off, so it's no surprise. I wonder how the labels can make any money on some of the reissues. For instance, EMI just brought out a 30-CD Vaughan-Williams box for around sixty bucks. Good for the consumer, but I wonder if it's cost effective for the label, even if is sells relatively well.

Still, a (possibly short-term) boon for the customer, and I plan to pick up the Vaughan Wms as soon as payday rolls around!

Speaking of new box sets, has anyone heard the Ormandy box on Sony, just out this week? Worth getting? I was hoping for more substantial fare, such as Sibelius, the classical Germans, etc. Seems weighted toward the popier stuff, like Rimsky and a whole disc of Bach arrangements.

Reed,

The contents of the new Ormandy Sony 10 CD box:


Disc 1 Respighi: The Pines of Rome, The Fountains of Rome, Roman Festivals
Disc 2 Moussorsky/Ravel: Pictures at an Exhibition/ Rimsky-Korsakov: Scheherazade
Disc 3 Rachmaninoff: Symphony No. 2, Vocalise
Disc 4 Tchaikovsky: Symphony No. 5, Serenade for Strings
Disc 5 Bartok: Concerto for Orchestra, The Miraculous Manderin (Suite), Two Pictures
Disc 6 Mendelssohn & Tchaikovsky: Violin Concerti (with Isaac Stern)
Disc 7 Shostakovich: Symphony No. 1, Cello Concerto (with Mstislav Rostropovich)
Disc 8/9 Bach: Orchestral Transcriptions/ "The Bach Album"
Disc 10 "The Romantic Philadelphia Strings" including short works by Barber, Grieg, Tchaikovsky, Sibelius, Vaughan Williams and more

I recommend this box very highly! :D
Lance this is the information provided by Amazon:

Audio CD (June 24, 2008)
SPARS Code: ADD
Number of Discs: 10
Format: Box set, Limited Edition
Label: Sony Classics
ASIN: B0018TNJL4
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Post by bricon » Wed Jul 09, 2008 5:35 pm

Yesterday, I received this 33 disc box-set, Wagner: The Great Operas from the Bayreuth Festival.


This has to be one of the greatest bargains ever offered by a major recording label.

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Post by Brendan » Wed Jul 09, 2008 8:55 pm

I think Pop/rock and classical are very different in this regard. I own one rock box-set - The Brthday Party collection, as it had a CD of early material that wasn't released anywhere else. I had to buy four discs I already had to get the one I wanted.

For rock and pop, I'd be looking at downloads of individual songs. I have most of the albums I want - Dark Side of the Moon, Led Zep I-IV + Physical Graffiti and the one with Achilles Last Stand on it, so a Led Zep box wouldn't appeal, Elton John only did one album worth bothering with (Goodbye Yellow-Brick Road) IMHO - and so on.

In contrast, I have a stack of classical box-sets. Klemperer's Beethoven syms along with Karajan's and Furtwangler's, Beecham's Haydn London syms, Bernstein's, Barbiroli's Sibelius and the list goes on and on. It makes some sense, at least to me, to buy boxes of Beethoven Piano Sonatas (wish they'd do a full one of Solomon's recs) by interpreters one is interested in. It isn't like buying Led Zep I-IV as played by the Bay City Rollers or P-Diddy or something. The music itself is more open to interpretation rather than being "owned" by a particular artist, IMHO.

To attract buyers who already have 7 complete sets of Beethoven sonatas as well as the individual performances they like they need something - quality or quantity or both - in order to sell. I think boxes will remain in classical for some time, but that might just be me.

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Post by John F » Thu Jul 10, 2008 2:21 am

The Yahoo news item (if that's what it is) seems kind of clueless, or maybe disingenuous. With non-classical music, the overwhelming trend is for buying downloads of individual songs, which has badly hurt the sales of individual CDs; boxed sets would seem even more against the trend. This squares with what Brendan says. So where's the news value in the story? But I don't know or care about non-classical recordings, so I may be wrong.

As far as I know, however, boxed sets remain an effective way of marketing classical music recordings, especially reissues of older ones. Yahoo may not care about classical music, but it's why CMG exists and why we're here, so I guess their take on the record market isn't really for us.
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Post by Chalkperson » Thu Jul 10, 2008 12:22 pm

Brendan wrote:Beethoven Piano Sonatas (wish they'd do a full one of Solomon's recs)
There is a Solomon Box just issued by EMI France the recordings have been beautifully remastered but only some of his Beethoven is Included...
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Post by Lance » Thu Jul 10, 2008 1:48 pm

It is interesting to observe the mega-boxes, put out especially by Universal with the Decca, Philips, and DGG labels, was going great guns with multi-disc, budget-priced boxes of Haskil, Monteux, Martinon, Stokowski, Curzon, Rita Streich, Leonard Bernstein, von Karajan, Fischer-Dieskau, Fricsay, and too many others too name here. Collectors snapped these up on release. Now, many of these items have already been deleted from their catalogue. EMI has also issuing mega-boxed sets (Marcelle Meyer as an example), and are currently issuing 3 to 7 or more CD sets (Solomon, Robeson, Lipatti, etc.) but not nearly to the degree of the Universal Group. (Heaven knows, EMI certainly has the material!) They are following very much in the way the Brilliant has issued mega-boxes, but Brilliant apparently keeps them in their catalogue for a longer period of time. (Though, I think, some of the great Russian artists' series are already hard to find.) Apparently Universal didn't garner the market they thought they were going to get and hence started deleting items. Once an initial release has been made of mega-boxes, reasonably priced, sales are good. After a year or so, the sales decline and those issues are gone. I don't know what the answer is. I was dismayed to see that even Philip's "Great Pianists of the Century" series was deleted after some time. I have most of that series, but didn't want to replicate certain editions I already had on CD (Haskil, Horowitz, Rubinstein, etc.). Now, many of those two-CD gatefold sets are being sold third-party for extraordinarily high prices. But the question is: why do they invest so heavily into a project like The Great Pianists and then pull them out of the catalogue? The other thing I've noticed is that Universal has more recently been issuing two-CD sets instead of mega-boxes for artists such as Sviatoslav Richter, Julius Katchen and others. The two-CD sets produce more revenue per each two-CD set than 10 discs in one box. [Ten two-CD sets garner about $225-$250 total versus $70-90 for the 10-CD mega-box.] One advantage of this to the buyer is that you can pick and choose those two-CD sets you really want and avoid further replication. Anyway, it's an interesting topic and will be good to watch how it all plays out. Nobody's getting rich in the CD market today, popular or classical.
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Post by TopoGigio » Thu Jul 10, 2008 2:20 pm

And now, Zauberflöte by Norrington in the double CD market...
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