J. S. Bach demoted.

[Agnes Selby]

Please read:

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2008/10/ ... 52492.html

Will Haydn be next? But then, he did not get on well with his wife.

[Seán]

What are we going to be told next? That Alma wrote all of Mahler's music perhaps?

[Teresa B]

One thing is sure, we'll never be told Constanze wrote all of Wolfi's stuff!

Teresa

[Agnes Selby]

One thing is sure, we'll never be told Constanze wrote all of Wolfi's stuff!

Teresa

Did you know that her sexuality actually
prevented him from being a more prolific composer?
This was proposed by a "scholar" whose name, for
the world of me I can't at this moment, remember.

He eventually wrote an apology which was published
in one of the Mozarteum's publications. If his name comes back
to me, I will post it.

Regards,
Agnes.

[Corlyss_D]

Please read:

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2008/10/ ... 52492.html

This is what happens when you have all those music majors with nowhere to go. The get degreed and then have no orchestras to play in so they get more degrees, which requires them to muck about with received wisdom.

[Agnes Selby]

One thing is sure, we'll never be told Constanze wrote all of Wolfi's stuff!

Teresa

Did you know that her sexuality actually
prevented him from being a more prolific composer?
This was proposed by a "scholar" whose name, for
the world of me I can't at this moment, remember.

He eventually wrote an apology which was published
in one of the Mozarteum's publications. If his name comes back
to me, I will post it.

Regards,
Agnes.

IT WAS ARTHUR SCHURIG: He said: "The marriage robed his
artistic fertility of its intensity".

(Aurthy Schurig, "W.A. Mozart").

[Ken]

Interesting read!

For a while there, it seemed as though Chopin, Beethoven, and Mozart were stealing the forensics spotlight, but with Bach's facial reconstruction earlier this year and now this... I'm glad to see good ol' J.S. get in on the action!

[Scherzophrenetic]

That's a bit of a crackpot theory IMO: all evidence points to Bach's music being written by extraterrestrial visitors, a bit like with the Egyptian pyramids.

Is there anything to the theory that Bach didn't really write Toccata and Fugue in D minor? I first read that on Wikipedia and didn't know what to make of it.

[CharmNewton]

One thing is sure, we'll never be told Constanze wrote all of Wolfi's stuff!

Teresa

Did you know that her sexuality actually
prevented him from being a more prolific composer?
This was proposed by a "scholar" whose name, for
the world of me I can't at this moment, remember.

He eventually wrote an apology which was published
in one of the Mozarteum's publications. If his name comes back
to me, I will post it.

Regards,
Agnes.

He'd have been more prolific if he didn't eat either.

Somehow, I think the "Keep going while I write down this tune." wouldn't have gone over too well.

John

[Sylph]

Have you read about this reconstruction?

[Agnes Selby]

Have you read about this reconstruction?

Yes, and it is NOT BACH FOR HEAVENS SAKE!!!! When I first
saw it, it was a shock to my system.

[CharmNewton]

Have you read about this reconstruction?

Yes, and it is NOT BACH FOR HEAVENS SAKE!!!! When I first
saw it, it was a shock to my system.

Looks a bit like Liberace shorn of his locks.

John

[Teresa B]

Have you read about this reconstruction?

Yes, and it is NOT BACH FOR HEAVENS SAKE!!!! When I first
saw it, it was a shock to my system.

Looks a bit like Liberace shorn of his locks.

John

Criminy!! It's my great Uncle Ralph!
Teresa

[Ralph]

One thing is sure, we'll never be told Constanze wrote all of Wolfi's stuff!

Teresa

Did you know that her sexuality actually
prevented him from being a more prolific composer?
This was proposed by a "scholar" whose name, for
the world of me I can't at this moment, remember.

He eventually wrote an apology which was published
in one of the Mozarteum's publications. If his name comes back
to me, I will post it.

Regards,
Agnes.

IT WAS ARTHUR SCHURIG: He said: "The marriage robed his
artistic fertility of its intensity".

(Aurthy Schurig, "W.A. Mozart").

*****

I hope you meant "robbed."

[Ralph]

And still, not a shred of musicological suspicion about the genuineness of Dittersdorf's works!

[Agnes Selby]

One thing is sure, we'll never be told Constanze wrote all of Wolfi's stuff!

Teresa

Did you know that her sexuality actually
prevented him from being a more prolific composer?
This was proposed by a "scholar" whose name, for
the world of me I can't at this moment, remember.

He eventually wrote an apology which was published
in one of the Mozarteum's publications. If his name comes back
to me, I will post it.

Regards,
Agnes.

IT WAS ARTHUR SCHURIG: He said: "The marriage robed his
artistic fertility of its intensity".

(Aurthy Schurig, "W.A. Mozart").

*****

I hope you meant "robbed."

----------

I did Ralph, my apologies. It is "robbed". Slip of a finger.

Agnes.

[jbuck919]

I find it difficult to believe that long accepted works of Bach have been mis-attributed. False attributions such as the flute sonata that contains the famous "siciliano" are pretty obviously false because, well, they don't sound like Bach. There are a few of them (excluding the just-past-juvenilia which have no counterpart in any other genre) among the organ works.

Which brings us to the Toccata and Fugue in d. I doubt that the controversy here will ever end short of the discovery of a holograph. The problems are two: (1) We do not have the original manuscript, but this is true of many undoubted works by Bach, and (2) It seems to fail my own test of "sounding like Bach." For one thing, it contains the only modal ending in all of Bach. However, if one puts it in the conquest of its "twin" piece (for some reason, Bach wrote his major preludes in musically similar pairs), the Toccata, Adagio and Fugue in C, the latter also has a feature lacking in the other P&Fs, namely, a slow movement. If one assumes that Bach went through a period of youtfhul experimentation (an assumption born out if one includes some numbers from the Well Tempered Klavier in the same category), they fit together that way. IMO they can both also be interpreted as written-out improvisations; even Bach did not accomplish anything like the mature P&Fs when improvising, as witness the two fugues on the same subject in the Musical Offering.

Finally there is this argument which will not be gainsaid: If Bach didn't write it, who did? There is no other composer to whom such a work can reasonably be attributed.

(Now don't get me started on the controversy over whether it was originally written for violin.)

[anasazi]

Food for thought jbuck, for certain. The first thing that came to my mind, and lilke you, being one who regularly plays Bach (although I forfeit to a modern piano) it occurs to me that if Starker, Casals or Rostopovich have all found Bach in these pieces, then no amount of handwriting experts will probably convice me otherwise. Musicians who regularly play Bach are the ones who can tell.

[SaulChanukah]

One thing is for sure, that my future wife did NOT write any of my compositions.

[John F]

The cello suites composed by Mrs. Bach? No way. What with bearing 13 children and bringing up six of them, running the household, and copying out her husband's works, when would she have had the time? Besides, Jarvis may feel that the music doesn't sound enough like JSB, but it does to me, and to just about everyone else for 250 years.

This story surfaced 2 years ago, though the folks in Sydney may not have heard it until last week. In the interim, as far as I know, Jarvis's theory has received neither confirmation nor support from anyone who matters.

It's a crank theory, and a dead letter.