Buxtehude: "Jesu, meines Lebens Leben" - and question!

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Buxtehude: "Jesu, meines Lebens Leben" - and question!

Post by IcedNote » Tue Jan 12, 2010 10:51 pm

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What a fantastic piece! I heard it for the first time today and was totally blown away. The chaconne is so effective and emotive in relation to the text - "A thousand thousand times to thee, most dear Jesu may thanks be given." And the slight, unexpected shifts in harmony...incredible. 8)

I love the darkness of the piece, so I'd like some recommendations for other sombre/painful/etc. works by Buxtehude. If you please, of course. :)

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Re: Buxtehude: "Jesu, meines Lebens Leben" - and question!

Post by jbuck919 » Wed Jan 13, 2010 12:12 am

Any of his rambling free organ works that go nowhere--very painful. :)


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Re: Buxtehude: "Jesu, meines Lebens Leben" - and question!

Post by IcedNote » Wed Jan 13, 2010 12:29 am

jbuck919 wrote:Any of his rambling free organ works that go nowhere--very painful. :)
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Re: Buxtehude: "Jesu, meines Lebens Leben" - and question!

Post by val » Wed Jan 13, 2010 5:41 am

I suggest two great masterpieces of Buxtehude. I don't think they are as painful as you want, but they are very, very beautiful: the Organ Preludes in E minor and G minor, BuxWV 143 & 149.

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Re: Buxtehude: "Jesu, meines Lebens Leben" - and question!

Post by Corlyss_D » Wed Jan 13, 2010 6:21 am

What Garrett is talking about:



Nice piece. I was not familiar with it before Garrett mentioned it.
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Re: Buxtehude: "Jesu, meines Lebens Leben" - and question!

Post by lismahago » Wed Jan 13, 2010 9:15 am

You want pain? Delicious North German Lutheran pain? It's got to be

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Membra Jesu Nostri.

My favourite is the version by the Netherlands Bach Society under Jos van Veldhoven.

Then you could move on to Mathias Weckman Wie ist die Stadt so wüste:

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Re: Buxtehude: "Jesu, meines Lebens Leben" - and question!

Post by karlhenning » Wed Jan 13, 2010 10:06 am

jbuck919 wrote:Any of his rambling free organ works that go nowhere . . . .
Sometimes, you like a nice ramble, wot?

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Re: Buxtehude: "Jesu, meines Lebens Leben" - and question!

Post by jbuck919 » Wed Jan 13, 2010 10:30 am

karlhenning wrote:
jbuck919 wrote:Any of his rambling free organ works that go nowhere . . . .
Sometimes, you like a nice ramble, wot?

Cheers,
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Well, if I were going to pretend that I could improvise (and then if I could memorize) I might toss off something by Bux, but those works--which I do take to be written-out improvisations--would not be considered sufficiently sophisticated for a modern recital organist. His chorale-based works are more tightly constructed (disciplined by the tune no doubt), but then they lack anything like scope. I have always thought that after making that long walk Bach must have said to himself "I can do better than that."

I'm human enough to enjoy the works anyway for the additional opportunity to hear the sound of wonderful organs doing what they were meant to do.

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Re: Buxtehude: "Jesu, meines Lebens Leben" - and question!

Post by Marc » Wed Jan 13, 2010 10:42 am

jbuck919 wrote: Well, if I were going to pretend that I could improvise (and then if I could memorize) I might toss off something by Bux, but those works--which I do take to be written-out improvisations--would not be considered sufficiently sophisticated for a modern recital organist. His chorale-based works are more tightly constructed (disciplined by the tune no doubt), but then they lack anything like scope.
I love Bux. (no kiss smileys here?)
But hey, I also love BWV 565.
And hey, I do love lots of other works even more.
jbuck919 wrote: I have always thought that after making that long walk Bach must have said to himself "I can do better than that."
I think he didn't.
I think he said to himself, after meeting Bux' daughter: "I can get better than that."

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Post by IcedNote » Wed Jan 13, 2010 11:07 am

Corlyss_D wrote:Nice piece. I was not familiar with it before Garrett mentioned it.
Really? Do you not like Buxtehude, or is this simply a piece that flew under your radar?

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Re: Buxtehude: "Jesu, meines Lebens Leben" - and question!

Post by karlhenning » Wed Jan 13, 2010 1:58 pm

jbuck919 wrote:Well, if I were going to pretend that I could improvise (and then if I could memorize) I might toss off something by Bux, but those works--which I do take to be written-out improvisations--would not be considered sufficiently sophisticated for a modern recital organist.
All right, but they wouldn't be substandard selection for church use? I turned pages recently for a chap who played Buxtehude for the closing voluntary. (I shouldn't much have complained if it had been played on a recital, for that matter.)

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Re: Buxtehude: "Jesu, meines Lebens Leben" - and question!

Post by jbuck919 » Wed Jan 13, 2010 2:09 pm

karlhenning wrote:
jbuck919 wrote:Well, if I were going to pretend that I could improvise (and then if I could memorize) I might toss off something by Bux, but those works--which I do take to be written-out improvisations--would not be considered sufficiently sophisticated for a modern recital organist.
All right, but they wouldn't be substandard selection for church use? I turned pages recently for a chap who played Buxtehude for the closing voluntary. (I shouldn't much have complained if it had been played on a recital, for that matter.)

Cheers,
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Re: Buxtehude: "Jesu, meines Lebens Leben" - and question!

Post by Corlyss_D » Wed Jan 13, 2010 2:49 pm

IcedNote wrote:
Corlyss_D wrote:Nice piece. I was not familiar with it before Garrett mentioned it.
Really? Do you not like Buxtehude, or is this simply a piece that flew under your radar?

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I don't care much for all the German noodling on the organ (bad day when the French started doing it too). Most of the Buxtehude I've heard has been that. Goddam racket if you ask me. Pretty odious in my book - one of the things that really, really, really puts me off Bach. Fingernails on a blackboard are music, comparatively speaking. You and John et al. can resonate to things in it that I simply can't. However, its a matter of taste and just my opinion. I like some of Buxtehude's choral music, and that piece qualifies right nicely, so it was merely under my radar. It's kinda the reverse of my feelings about Biber - I can listen to his violin music forever, but I don't much care for his choral music. I've tried several times to crack that Salzburg mass of his, and just can't get there.
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Re: Buxtehude: "Jesu, meines Lebens Leben" - and question!

Post by Tiger » Wed Jan 13, 2010 4:03 pm

I love Buxtehude's organ preludes, especially when they are played with a sense of wild abandon. Koopman does this superbly with his series on Challenge Classics.

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Re: Buxtehude: "Jesu, meines Lebens Leben" - and question!

Post by Marc » Wed Jan 13, 2010 6:57 pm

Tiger, might you experience a desperate need to relax, you can counterbalance Koopman with Harald Vogel, who's more severe. :)

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Re: Buxtehude: "Jesu, meines Lebens Leben" - and question!

Post by Tiger » Wed Jan 13, 2010 8:11 pm

Marc wrote:Tiger, might you experience a desperate need to relax, you can counterbalance Koopman with Harald Vogel, who's more severe. :)
Yes, I have a few of the Vogel's discs on MDG and they are keepers. Vogel's even better in Bach. One of my most treasured Bach recordings is Vol. 2 of "The Bach Circle" from Organeum/Loft; Vogel plays the pedal clavichord; both he and the instrument are amazing.

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