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Your Five Favorite Composers

Post by Tiger » Fri Jan 15, 2010 6:38 pm

Yes, I know it's silly, but I'm still doing it.

Please note your five favorite composers in order of preference; this has nothing to do with "greatest". I'll keep a tally and provide the results on 25 January.

My five:

1. J.S. Bach
2. Shostakovich
3. Scriabin
4. Schumann
5. Zemlinsky

Those close behind include Weinberg, Mozart, Beethoven, Mahler and Prokofiev.

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Re: Your Five Favorite Composers

Post by ContrapunctusIX » Fri Jan 15, 2010 6:48 pm

Brahms
Bach
Mozart
Beethoven
Schubert

(honorable mention: Dvorak, Tchaikovsky, Bruckner, Sibelius, Strauss, Mahler)
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Re: Your Five Favorite Composers

Post by Chalkperson » Fri Jan 15, 2010 6:48 pm

one...Bach
two...Shostakovich
three...Feldman
four...Palestrina
five...Mahler
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Re: Your Five Favorite Composers

Post by hangos » Fri Jan 15, 2010 6:53 pm

1. Sibelius
2. Bartok
3. Shostakovich
4. Beethoven
5. Haydn

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Re: Your Five Favorite Composers

Post by ravel30 » Fri Jan 15, 2010 6:56 pm

Here are mine. Slightly different than some mentionned so far

1-Debussy
2-Sibelius
3-Bruckner
4-Ravel
5-Beethoven

Honorable mention: Nielsen, Faure, Granados, Vaughan Williams

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Re: Your Five Favorite Composers

Post by some guy » Fri Jan 15, 2010 7:02 pm

Sometimes silly is good, Tiger.

Not this time, unfortunately, but still.

Anyway, I would love to play, but most of my favorites are still alive, and I learned as a father not to play favorites. (Which is my favorite son? All.)

So this list of mine is a bit of a fake, as it contains only dead composers.

1. Ferrari
2. Cage
3. Prokofiev
4. Kagel
5. Berlioz
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Re: Your Five Favorite Composers

Post by Donaldopato » Fri Jan 15, 2010 7:03 pm

1) Mahler
2) Dvorak
3) Bartok
4) Sibelius
5) Vaughn Williams
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Re: Your Five Favorite Composers

Post by Jared » Fri Jan 15, 2010 7:04 pm

1. Brahms
2. Beethoven
3. Mozart
4. Mendelssohn
5. Schubert

probably.. :?

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Re: Your Five Favorite Composers

Post by bombasticDarren » Fri Jan 15, 2010 7:04 pm

1. Beethoven
2. Schumann
3. Ravel
4. Haydn
5. Berlioz

Honourable mentions: Brahms, Liszt, Mahler, Mozart, Sibelius.

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Re: Your Five Favorite Composers

Post by jbuck919 » Fri Jan 15, 2010 7:20 pm

Bach, Beethoven, Mozart, Brahms, and a multi-way tie.

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Re: Your Five Favorite Composers

Post by Seán » Fri Jan 15, 2010 7:25 pm

At present mine are:

1. Mahler
2. Beethoven
3. Haydn
4. Sibelius
5. Stravinsky

with honourable mention: Shostakovich, Nielsen, Debussy, Rachmaninov & Bartok.......
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Re: Your Five Favorite Composers

Post by stenka razin » Fri Jan 15, 2010 8:01 pm

Brahms

Dvorak

Prokofiev

Bruckner

Elgar

Honorable mention to Beethoven, Bach, Sibelius, Haydn, Mahler, Stravinsky and Mozart. :wink: 8)
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Re: Your Five Favorite Composers

Post by IcedNote » Fri Jan 15, 2010 8:02 pm

Beethoven
Chopin
Liszt
Mahler
Shatzer

:)

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Re: Your Five Favorite Composers

Post by Tiger » Fri Jan 15, 2010 8:19 pm

Chalkperson wrote: one...Bach
two...Shostakovich
three...Feldman
four...Palestrina
five...Mahler
Excellent - we have the same top two picks.

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Re: Your Five Favorite Composers

Post by Steinway » Fri Jan 15, 2010 8:20 pm

I cannot do this. If you asked for ten, it would be remotely possible, but to select only five is beyond my capability. :?

Kindly change the number required ASAP :roll: :roll: :roll:


Thank you for your consideration. :)

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Re: Your Five Favorite Composers

Post by Tiger » Fri Jan 15, 2010 8:21 pm

stenka razin wrote:Brahms

Dvorak

Prokofiev

Bruckner

Elgar

Honorable mention to Beethoven, Bach, Sibelius, Haydn, Mahler, Stravinsky and Mozart. :wink: 8)
Elgar's an interesting choice. Think I'll play his gorgeous Sonata for Violin and Piano.

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Re: Your Five Favorite Composers

Post by Tiger » Fri Jan 15, 2010 8:22 pm

IcedNote wrote:Beethoven
Chopin
Liszt
Mahler
Shatzer

:)

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Re: Your Five Favorite Composers

Post by Tiger » Fri Jan 15, 2010 8:26 pm

Cliftwood wrote:I cannot do this. If you asked for ten, it would be remotely possible, but to select only five is beyond my capability. :?

Kindly change the number required ASAP :roll: :roll: :roll:


Thank you for your consideration. :)
1. I'm confident you could pick just three, never mind five. Everything is possible.

2. Numbers will not change; not everything is possible.

3. I thank you for your participation. :wink:

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Re: Your Five Favorite Composers

Post by MarkC » Fri Jan 15, 2010 8:31 pm

Tiger wrote: My five:
1. J.S. Bach
2. Shostakovich
3. Scriabin
4. Schumann
5. Zemlinsky
I think I like you. :lol:
Don't expect me to be sane, I'm playing Scriabin
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Re: Your Five Favorite Composers

Post by MarkC » Fri Jan 15, 2010 8:31 pm

Tiger wrote: My five:
1. J.S. Bach
2. Shostakovich
3. Scriabin
4. Schumann
5. Zemlinsky.....
But seriously folks..... :mrgreen: .....that reminds me of a story. :lol:

Recognizing that you're asking about "favorite," not greatest.......a few months ago, a friend asked me how close to unanimous it would be, among serious classical musicians, that Brahms is the 4th greatest composer.

He was assuming that it would be absolutely unanimous that the top 3 are Bach, Mozart, and Beethoven (not necessarily in that order). I told him that he was overestimating the chances of anything in the world ever being unanimous, plus that there are all kinds of different concepts of what "greatest" means, plus that people have niche taste and axes to grind, and that while I thought it was indeed very likely that the top 3 would be who he assumed, even those would be far from unanimous. And that Brahms not only wouldn't it be anywhere close to unanimous for #4 but might even be considerably further down.

Despite the fact that we were in a hardware store at the time......as if on cue, there was a woman walking with a violin. So, we posed the question to her: Is it a slam-dunk who the top 3 greatest composers are, and who would the 4th be?

She starting thinking out loud, and knew without any prompting who we were thinking of as the top 3. After a moment, she said Beethoven definitely wouldn't be in there, and she wasn't sure about Bach either.

But she thought for sure Shostakovich was.

We all decided to leave it at that. :mrgreen:

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Re: Your Five Favorite Composers

Post by MarkC » Fri Jan 15, 2010 8:35 pm

IcedNote wrote:Beethoven
Chopin
Liszt
Mahler
Shatzer
Cool -- first mention of my man Chopin. :D

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Re: Your Five Favorite Composers

Post by MarkC » Fri Jan 15, 2010 8:39 pm

VERY interesting lists, all around.
It even seems like each list is sort of a "personality inventory" -- not with much accuracy :lol: but who needs accuracy, psych tests aren't accurate either. :mrgreen:

My five favorite:
1. Chopin
2. Bach
3. Beethoven
4. Schubert
5. Scriabin (I guess.......but when we get to #5 it's extra hard because that's where we realize we're leaving out everyone else)

My five "greatest":
1. Bach
2. Beethoven
3. Mozart
4, 5, etc. I don't know 8)

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Re: Your Five Favorite Composers

Post by IcedNote » Fri Jan 15, 2010 8:44 pm

Tiger wrote:Now who could that Shatzer guy be?
I've never met him, but I heard he's a nice fellow. :D

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Re: Your Five Favorite Composers

Post by Tiger » Fri Jan 15, 2010 8:59 pm

IcedNote wrote:
Tiger wrote:Now who could that Shatzer guy be?
I've never met him, but I heard he's a nice fellow. :D

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Re: Your Five Favorite Composers

Post by Chalkperson » Fri Jan 15, 2010 9:39 pm

Tiger wrote:
Chalkperson wrote: one...Bach
two...Shostakovich
three...Feldman
four...Palestrina
five...Mahler
Excellent - we have the same top two picks.
I consider Bach and Shostakovich to be the Bookends of Classical Music... :D
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Re: Your Five Favorite Composers

Post by Carnivorous Sheep » Fri Jan 15, 2010 9:41 pm

1. Beethoven
2. Schubert
3. Tchaikovsky
4. Liszt
5. Vivaldi

As always, the fifth was the hardest - so many deserving composers, but I settled on Vivaldi in the end. Bruckner, Mahler, Dvorak, and many others were all serious contenders.

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Re: Your Five Favorite Composers

Post by Chalkperson » Fri Jan 15, 2010 9:44 pm

MarkC wrote:Recognizing that you're asking about "favorite," not greatest.......a few months ago, a friend asked me how close to unanimous it would be, among serious classical musicians, that Brahms is the 4th greatest composer.
In my very first post here, many moons ago, I put forward my view that after the Big Three then Morton Feldman is the Fourth Greatest Composer, his Solo Piano Works are very special, I could listen happily only to Morty on the proverbial Desert Island...
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Re: Your Five Favorite Composers

Post by jbuck919 » Fri Jan 15, 2010 9:59 pm

MarkC wrote: My five "greatest":
1. Bach
2. Beethoven
3. Mozart
4, 5, etc. I don't know 8)
No doubt about it--it gets harder after 3 (I vote for Brahms). Interestingly the same is true in math. There is a consensus that the three greatest mathematicians of all time are Archimedes, Newton, and Gauss. Number four is harder to pin down, though Euler seems a likely candidate.

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Re: Your Five Favorite Composers

Post by MarkC » Fri Jan 15, 2010 10:14 pm

jbuck919 wrote:No doubt about it--it gets harder after 3 (I vote for Brahms). Interestingly the same is true in math. There is a consensus that the three greatest mathematicians of all time are Archimedes, Newton, and Gauss. Number four is harder to pin down, though Euler seems a likely candidate.
Gauss, no kidding?
I mean, it's not like I have any idea or anything :mrgreen: ......but having had (more than) my share of math and science, I would have thought it would be someone I might have thought of.

And come to think of it, I would never have thought of Newton as a "mathematician."

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Re: Your Five Favorite Composers

Post by IcedNote » Fri Jan 15, 2010 10:21 pm

Tiger wrote:Anyone with 77 friends must be a nice guy (or generous).
Maestro Shatzer doesn't even really use MySpace anymore, but I heard he has over 300 friends on Facebook. :P

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Re: Your Five Favorite Composers

Post by Heck148 » Fri Jan 15, 2010 10:22 pm

Tiger wrote:Yes, I know it's silly, but I'm still doing it.

Please note your five favorite composers in order of preference;
I can't do these lists - if I post a list each day it may well be different from those preceding, or succeeding it...

Beethoven and Mahler would be pretty consistent listings, tho. :)

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Re: Your Five Favorite Composers

Post by Tiger » Fri Jan 15, 2010 10:25 pm

Carnivorous Sheep wrote:1. Beethoven
2. Schubert
3. Tchaikovsky
4. Liszt
5. Vivaldi

As always, the fifth was the hardest - so many deserving composers, but I settled on Vivaldi in the end. Bruckner, Mahler, Dvorak, and many others were all serious contenders.
Finally, Vivaldi gets a vote. That reminds me that Handel has yet to get on the chart, and Christmas was less than a month ago. And what about those opera composers such as Wagner, Puccini and Verdi?

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Re: Your Five Favorite Composers

Post by Chalkperson » Fri Jan 15, 2010 10:37 pm

MarkC wrote:And come to think of it, I would never have thought of Newton as a "mathematician."
Surely, you jest... :?
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Re: Your Five Favorite Composers

Post by Chalkperson » Fri Jan 15, 2010 10:40 pm

Tiger wrote:Finally, Vivaldi gets a vote. That reminds me that Handel has yet to get on the chart, and Christmas was less than a month ago. And what about those opera composers such as Wagner, Puccini and Verdi?
Corlyss will take care of Handel, I thought about naming Verdi, but instead I went for Palestrina...
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Re: Your Five Favorite Composers

Post by MarkC » Fri Jan 15, 2010 10:40 pm

Chalkperson wrote:
MarkC wrote:And come to think of it, I would never have thought of Newton as a "mathematician."
Surely, you jest... :?
Not at all! As far as I knew, he was just an accident-prone physicist.

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Re: Your Five Favorite Composers

Post by jbuck919 » Fri Jan 15, 2010 10:53 pm

MarkC wrote:
jbuck919 wrote:No doubt about it--it gets harder after 3 (I vote for Brahms). Interestingly the same is true in math. There is a consensus that the three greatest mathematicians of all time are Archimedes, Newton, and Gauss. Number four is harder to pin down, though Euler seems a likely candidate.
Gauss, no kidding?
I mean, it's not like I have any idea or anything :mrgreen: ......but having had (more than) my share of math and science, I would have thought it would be someone I might have thought of.

And come to think of it, I would never have thought of Newton as a "mathematician."
I don't think one or two posts on this will take the thread dangerously off track, people's opinions of their own favorite composers being an immortal topic :) . Of all the fields of intellectual/creative endeavor, math is probably the one where accomplishment is completely out of proportion with renown. People hear "mathematician" and they think of Einstein, who was not an original mathematician but a mathematically adept theoretical physicist who actually had to learn a fair amount of math from other people before he was ready to publish his theories. Newton of course was great as both a physicist and a mathematician. Karl Friedrich Gauss is all but unknown, as are numerous mathematicians I could list off the top of my head who are to math what Schubert, Wagner, and Debussy are to music and Boyle, Farraday and Pasteur are to science, though few people have ever heard of them.

Part of the problem, of course, is that people can appreciate a scientist or artist on the basis of either the experience of or a description of what they accomplished. The only way to describe the accomplishment of a mathematician is mathematically, and we very quickly run up against the limits of even educated individuals, including myself. If I say that Riemann made major contributions to the theory of the functions of a complex variable, I have only at best a fair idea of what that means and could not explain even my limited understanding to an educated layman without major background work.

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Re: Your Five Favorite Composers

Post by MarkC » Fri Jan 15, 2010 11:19 pm

jbuck919 wrote:.....The only way to describe the accomplishment of a mathematician is mathematically, and we very quickly run up against the limits of even educated individuals, including myself.....
....and me likewise. I was a "top student" in math and had quite a bit of it in college, yet I'd be lost.

I think another thing, maybe related to what you said although I wouldn't think it would be part-and-parcel of it, is that while our education routinely includes material on the great scientists, it doesn't include much of anything on great mathematicians, at least in terms of identifying them as such. I mean look -- I was a science major who took lots of math......yet, as I said before, not even I had any idea that Newton was a great mathematician, or even a mathematician at all.

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Re: Your Five Favorite Composers

Post by Chalkperson » Fri Jan 15, 2010 11:31 pm

MarkC wrote: I had any idea that Newton was a great mathematician, or even a mathematician at all.
I only knew because my father told me, he was a Mathematician, he made sure that he taught me the stuff they didn't tell me at school...like making me learn double entry bookkeeping of my pocket money at the age of eleven...it did not help me to Photograph Rock Stars but it did set me up for running and owning a giant Photo Studio in Manhattan twenty years later...I still think of him and how it really helped me in later life...
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Re: Your Five Favorite Composers

Post by Brendan » Fri Jan 15, 2010 11:43 pm

1 - Anonymous. I like a lot of medieval and folk music that no one has a clue who wrote.
2 - Schubert
3 - Bach
4 - Beethoven
5 - Mozart

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Re: Your Five Favorite Composers

Post by ravel30 » Fri Jan 15, 2010 11:47 pm

jbuck919 wrote: If I say that Riemann made major contributions to the theory of the functions of a complex variable, I have only at best a fair idea of what that means and could not explain even my limited understanding to an educated layman without major background work.
Hi jbuck919,

I don't want to be off topic and to sound like I am gloating or anything like that, but being a Ph.D. student in math and studying analytic number theory, I am well aware of Riemann's contribution to the theory of complex variable :D . And I completely agree with you concerning Gauss and Riemann. It takes training and several maths courses behind (more than Calculus say) to understand the richness and cleverness of their ideas.

Anytime I think of Gauss and music, I always think of Beethoven. Almost every genre that Beethoven tried, he revolutionized it (symphonies, string quartet, piano sonatas and so on). Some to the point where he was way ahead of his time (string quartet for example). That is exactly the same thing with Gauss if not more in his case. He was nicknamed the Prince of Mathematics.

As for Riemann, just imagine that. What is the link between whole numbers (0,1,2,3,4,...) and functions (or Calculus) ? Riemann found new amazing connections between these two different subjects. It ends up that they complement each other.

Back to topic. Do you guys know that there is a connection between music and prime numbers (2,3,5,7,11,13,17,19,23,...) ? Apparently there is... :shock:

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Re: Your Five Favorite Composers

Post by Heck148 » Fri Jan 15, 2010 11:55 pm

ravel30 wrote: Back to topic. Do you guys know that there is a connection between music and prime numbers (2,3,5,7,11,13,17,19,23,...) ? Apparently there is... :shock:
is it like a Fibonacci sequence?? :D :P

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Re: Your Five Favorite Composers

Post by Brendan » Fri Jan 15, 2010 11:55 pm

Do you mean Messiaen's ametrical music or another use of primes I'm not aware of?

Wouldn't it put the cat amongst the pigeons if the unproven Riemann Hypothesis was an undecidable proposition (or wrong?). Unlikely, but it remains conjecture last I looked.

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Re: Your Five Favorite Composers

Post by some guy » Fri Jan 15, 2010 11:55 pm

ravel30 wrote:Do you guys know that there is a connection between music and prime numbers (2,3,5,7,11,13,17,19,23,...) ? Apparently there is... :shock:
Come on, ravel30, don't be coy. What's the connection? I want to know, now!!
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Re: Your Five Favorite Composers

Post by Lance » Sat Jan 16, 2010 12:07 am

Would you believe:

[1] Hans Werner Henze
[2] Luigi Yesyes, er ... I mean Luigi Nono
[3] Karlheinz Stockhausen
[4] John Cage
[5] Mauricio Kagel

I could even give you another 25!

As I recall, Corlyss and I both share a love of these composers and call them our most favourites. It's quite astonishing, eh? Perhaps she will corroborate this, yes?
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Re: Your Five Favorite Composers

Post by MarkC » Sat Jan 16, 2010 12:13 am

Heck148 wrote:
ravel30 wrote: Back to topic. Do you guys know that there is a connection between music and prime numbers (2,3,5,7,11,13,17,19,23,...) ? Apparently there is... :shock:
is it like a Fibonacci sequence?? :D :P
I could understand a connection like that more easily than a connection to prime numbers. I'm often aware of Fibonacci-like aspects, like in relative lengths of sections of a piece or movement, and of different movements; and of different tempi in a piece.

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Re: Your Five Favorite Composers

Post by Chalkperson » Sat Jan 16, 2010 12:21 am

Lance wrote:Would you believe:

[1] Hans Werner Henze
[2] Luigi Yesyes, er ... I mean Luigi Nono
[3] Karlheinz Stockhausen
[4] John Cage
[5] Mauricio Kagel

I could even give you another 25!

As I recall, Corlyss and I both share a love of these composers and call them our most favourites. It's quite astonishing, eh? Perhaps she will corroborate this, yes?
What happened to Luigi Dallapiccola, you told me you just could not stop playing his records... :mrgreen:
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Re: Your Five Favorite Composers

Post by IcedNote » Sat Jan 16, 2010 12:22 am

Lance wrote:Would you believe:

[1] Hans Werner Henze
[2] Luigi Yesyes, er ... I mean Luigi Nono
[3] Karlheinz Stockhausen
[4] John Cage
[5] Mauricio Kagel
Um...no...I don't believe...:shock:

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Re: Your Five Favorite Composers

Post by ravel30 » Sat Jan 16, 2010 12:25 am

Brendan wrote:Do you mean Messiaen's ametrical music or another use of primes I'm not aware of?

Wouldn't it put the cat amongst the pigeons if the unproven Riemann Hypothesis was an undecidable proposition (or wrong?). Unlikely, but it remains conjecture last I looked.
Riemann's Hypothesis has been verified up to at least 10^15 (That is, 1 with 15 zeros). So...chances are that it is true. In fact, it is largely believed now that it is true. However, it seems like there is a need for new insights in order to prove it one day.

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Re: Your Five Favorite Composers

Post by ravel30 » Sat Jan 16, 2010 12:27 am

Honestly, I don't really know about the connexion between primes and music. But I have read that there is such a thing. There is a popular mathematics book called 'Music of the primes' that is out. Maybe it talks about that.

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Re: Your Five Favorite Composers

Post by Brendan » Sat Jan 16, 2010 12:29 am

Hence why I said it may be undecidable, and unlikely to be wrong.

Researchers have used supercomputers to calculate the first 1,500,000,001 zeros above the x-axis, and millions of other zeros higher up, and so far all of them lie on the critical line. If just one of them did not, the Riemann hypothesis would be killed.

This is heartening, but no amount of computer hacking can prove the hypothesis. There are always more zeros to check. And, cautions Andrew Odlyzko of AT&T Labs, who has spearheaded the effort to calculate zeros, "number theory has many examples of conjectures that are plausible, are supported by seemingly overwhelming numerical evidence, and yet are false."

From http://www.timetoeternity.com/time_spac ... e_time.htm

I am aware of Messiaen and the deliberate use of primes in La Nativité du Seigneur (1935) and Quatre études de rythme (1949-50), but little else myself.
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