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Taking Stock: Gustav Mahler's First Symphony

Post by Seán » Sat May 15, 2010 2:46 pm

Over the past two and a half years I have built up a solid collection of Mahler's Titan, this is my complete list, I have identified my favourites, there are so many of them too:

Haitink/Concertgebouw LP Philips this is the earlier of the two recordings
Haitink/Concertgebouw Philips box set
Kubelik/VPO (1954)
Kubelik/Orchestra di torino della Radio Italiana (1956)
Kubelik/BRSO DG (1967)
Bertini/ Kölner Rundfunk-Sonfonieorchester EMI box set
Horenstein/VSO (1958)
Horenstein/LSO (1969)
Maazel/VPO
Solti/CSO
Solti/LSO LP
Abbado/CSO

Simonov/Royal Philharmonic Orchestra
Giulini/CSO
Kletzki/Israel Philharmionic Orchestra LP (in bad condition)
Zander/Philharmonia Orchestra
Zinman/Tonhalle Orchestra Zurich

Am I missing something I wonder?
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Re: Taking Stock: Gustav Mahler's First Symphony

Post by Steinway » Sat May 15, 2010 2:54 pm

You are missing Eschenbach and the Houston Symphony Orchestra.

An oustanding recording and well worth adding to your collection. :)

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Re: Taking Stock: Gustav Mahler's First Symphony

Post by Barry » Sat May 15, 2010 2:54 pm

I've always been partial to Bernstein in this symphony; either recording. I just love his feel for the piece.

Horenstein/LSO is a great one; as is Giulini/CSO, with the exception of the third movement, where Giulini lacks Lenny's feel for the klezmer aspect of the music.
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Re: Taking Stock: Gustav Mahler's First Symphony

Post by stefanher » Sat May 15, 2010 3:12 pm

Not that long ago I compared in detail the 16 or so Titans I have including nearly all the ones you list. "Best?"- one not on your list- Bruno Walter!

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Re: Taking Stock: Gustav Mahler's First Symphony

Post by stenka razin » Sat May 15, 2010 3:21 pm

Sean, great Mahler list. But, I would seriously recommend Bernstein, either with the NY Phil on Sony from way back or the much later Concertgebouw DG recording, my friend. You will love Lenny's way with this gorgeous score. :D :D :D :D


P.S. I can never forget seeing Lenny in Central Park with the NYP. When the brass rose in the final movement his conducting sent shivers down my spine and the large audience outdoors exploded in applause as this great Symphony triumphantly concluded. :D :D :D :D
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Post by Holden Fourth » Sat May 15, 2010 4:22 pm

Seán wrote:Over the past two and a half years I have built up a solid collection of Mahler's Titan, this is my complete list, I have identified my favourites, there are so many of them too:

Haitink/Concertgebouw LP Philips this is the earlier of the two recordings
Haitink/Concertgebouw Philips box set
Kubelik/VPO (1954)
Kubelik/Orchestra di torino della Radio Italiana (1956)
Kubelik/BRSO DG (1967)
Bertini/ Kölner Rundfunk-Sonfonieorchester EMI box set
Horenstein/VSO (1958)
Horenstein/LSO (1969)
Maazel/VPO
Solti/CSO
Solti/LSO LP
Abbado/CSO

Simonov/Royal Philharmonic Orchestra
Giulini/CSO
Kletzki/Israel Philharmionic Orchestra LP (in bad condition)
Zander/Philharmonia Orchestra
Zinman/Tonhalle Orchestra Zurich

Am I missing something I wonder?
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Post by Wallingford » Sat May 15, 2010 4:39 pm

Well, as it's the one Mahler symphony I see fit (or have the time) to listen to, perhaps, three times a year, it far surpasses its siblings in number of recordings:

Mitropoulos
Kletzki 1 (w/IPO)
Walter
Abravanel
Leinsdorf "live," '62 (w/BSO)
Ormandy
Schwarz "live" (SSO, natch)
Sokol "live" (w/Seattle Youth Symphony, late 70s)
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Re: Taking Stock: Gustav Mahler's First Symphony

Post by Neytiri » Sat May 15, 2010 4:41 pm

Seán wrote:Am I missing something I wonder?
A whole lot!

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Re: Taking Stock: Gustav Mahler's First Symphony

Post by Donaldopato » Sat May 15, 2010 4:50 pm

Bernstein NYP
Bernstein RCO
Bernstein RCO (Netherlands Radio download, from around the same time as the recording)
Walter Columbia SO
Jarvi Royal Scottish National Orchestra w/Blumine
Ormandy Philadelphia (RCA) w/Blumine
Scherchen Royal Philharmonic Orchestra (scrappy as hell playing, but always fascinating)
Solti CSO (my first M1)
Kubelik Bavarian Radio SO DG
Slatkin St Louis SO (living in St Louis at the time and heard the performance live before
they recorded in studio soon after, not a bad performance at all)

I thought I had the Horenstein VSO recording, but I can't find it.
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Re: Taking Stock: Gustav Mahler's First Symphony

Post by Heck148 » Sat May 15, 2010 5:17 pm

Seán wrote:Am I missing something I wonder?
Walter/ColSO/Sony-CBS
Solti/CSO
Abbado/CSO
good ones
Giulini/CSO
GREAT ONE, my overall favorite.
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Re: Taking Stock: Gustav Mahler's First Symphony

Post by Prometheus » Sat May 15, 2010 5:18 pm

Solti-CSO
Kubelik-Bavarian Radio Symphony Orchestra
Halasz-Polish National Radio Symphony Orchestra w/ Blumine
Bernstein-NYP
Tennstedt-LPO

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Re: Taking Stock: Gustav Mahler's First Symphony

Post by christmashtn » Sat May 15, 2010 7:24 pm

I have always slightly preferred the Columbia Symphony Bruno Walter to Horenstein's with the LSO. My favorite studio recording has always been Leinsdorf and Boston Symphony. It rocks without going overboard the way Bernstein/New York Phil does in the Finale. Even better is their Live performance which was done a couple of days before the RCA recording was put down. It's available on ebay. See my post regarding this below.

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Re: Taking Stock: Gustav Mahler's First Symphony

Post by christmashtn » Sat May 15, 2010 7:30 pm

Actually what I should have said is look a little more below in the Chatterbox section.

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Re: Taking Stock: Gustav Mahler's First Symphony

Post by Fergus » Sun May 16, 2010 5:03 am

I thought that you were not buying any more M1s....can't keep away from it, eh? :lol:

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Re: Taking Stock: Gustav Mahler's First Symphony

Post by Seán » Sun May 16, 2010 6:02 am

Fergus wrote:I thought that you were not buying any more M1s....can't keep away from it, eh? :lol:
I ony bought one M1 in the past 18 months and that was Zander's lovely recording. :wink:
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Re: Taking Stock: Gustav Mahler's First Symphony

Post by Seán » Sun May 16, 2010 6:04 am

Neytiri wrote:
Seán wrote:Am I missing something I wonder?
A whole lot!
How informative. :? :lol:
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Re: Taking Stock: Gustav Mahler's First Symphony

Post by Fergus » Sun May 16, 2010 7:53 am

If you are looking for something a little bit different Seán I can certainly recommend my relatively recent purchase of Barbirolli's version :D

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Post by Neytiri » Sun May 16, 2010 8:19 am

Seán wrote: How informative. :? :lol:
Your collection almost seems like a museum! So these probably won't fit into your sensibilities:

Gielen/SWR
Chailly/RCO
Boulez/CSO
Abbado/BPO
Honeck/Pittsburgh
Tilson Thomas/SFSO
Levine/LSO
Slatkin/St. Louis
Jansons/RCO
Maazel/VPO
Nott/Bamberg

Many others...

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Re: Taking Stock: Gustav Mahler's First Symphony

Post by Seán » Sun May 16, 2010 8:22 am

Neytiri wrote:
Seán wrote: How informative. :? :lol:
Your collection almost seems like a museum! So these probably won't fit into your sensibilities:

Gielen/SWR
Chailly/RCO
Boulez/CSO
Abbado/BPO
Honeck/Pittsburgh
Tilson Thomas/SFSO
Levine/LSO
Slatkin/St. Louis
Jansons/RCO
Maazel/VPO
Nott/Bamberg

Many others...
A museum? Thanks very much!
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Re: Taking Stock: Gustav Mahler's First Symphony

Post by Neytiri » Sun May 16, 2010 8:34 am

Seán wrote: A museum? Thanks very much!
But with some excellent exhibits!

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Re: Taking Stock: Gustav Mahler's First Symphony

Post by josé echenique » Sun May 16, 2010 9:19 am

My favourites are: Abbado/BPO, Bernstein/RCO and Kubelik/BRSO, but I have a soft spot for Walter/Columbia Symphony and the live Tennstedt/CSO.

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Re: Taking Stock: Gustav Mahler's First Symphony

Post by maestrob » Sun May 16, 2010 10:04 am

Grew up with Leinsdorf & Solti, then Walter. Eschenbach's Houston recording was a pleasant surprise, very well done, and I like both Bernstein & Kubelik as well. Masur/NY and Zander are two of my present day favorites, and let's not forget Abbado.

Somehow, I never tire of this symphony when it's done right. When it's overblown and exaggerated, such as Dudamel's L.A. debut, it makes me LOL! Ridiculous. This symphony takes discipline and finesse to get right, and many great conductors have done so.

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Re: Taking Stock: Gustav Mahler's First Symphony

Post by CharmNewton » Sun May 16, 2010 10:26 am

I've owned the Walter/Columbia Symphony recording since the LP days. The first movement is wonderful, There is a sunny gracefulness to the way he shapes the the main theme. In the soft mysterious-sounding passages mid-movement, the low notes on the bassoons (or contra-bassoons) are well-captured as are the soft bass-drum thuds. It is only in the opening of the Finale where there is a bit of a let down. It opens dramatically enough but Walter introduces a ritard that just slows down momentum (this is his view of how the music should go as he also did this on his 1954 recording with the New York Philharmonic). Once past this, the remainder of the movement is fine. One of Walter's best recordings in terms of recorded sound, along with his Mahler Ninth and Dvoral Eighth.

The Bernstein/New York Philharmonic recording is one of the most exciting recordings I've heard. It brims with ardor and passion and captures the boldness and originality of this work (roughly contrmporary with Brahms' Fourth and Bruckner's Seventh). Recorded sound is not as good as Walter's but it isn't an obstacle to enjoying this recording.

My nomination for an under-the-radar performance is Muti/Philadelphia Orchestra which is exciting in the manner of Bernstein. Dramatic, unfussy and direct. Wwll-recorded early digital sound and the best played of the three mentioned here. It is inexpensive and very satisfying.

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Re: Taking Stock: Gustav Mahler's First Symphony

Post by Lance » Sun May 16, 2010 8:22 pm

You are not showing the Dimitri Mitropoulos recording (Columbia Records) reissued by Sony Classical [62342]. This is with the Minneapolis Symphony (stunningly transferred from 78-rpm discs). I believe I am correct in saying this was the first-ever recording of Mahler's Symphony #1/Titan. But don't quote me.
Seán wrote:Over the past two and a half years I have built up a solid collection of Mahler's Titan, this is my complete list, I have identified my favourites, there are so many of them too:

Haitink/Concertgebouw LP Philips this is the earlier of the two recordings
Haitink/Concertgebouw Philips box set
Kubelik/VPO (1954)
Kubelik/Orchestra di torino della Radio Italiana (1956)
Kubelik/BRSO DG (1967)
Bertini/ Kölner Rundfunk-Sonfonieorchester EMI box set
Horenstein/VSO (1958)
Horenstein/LSO (1969)
Maazel/VPO
Solti/CSO
Solti/LSO LP
Abbado/CSO

Simonov/Royal Philharmonic Orchestra
Giulini/CSO
Kletzki/Israel Philharmionic Orchestra LP (in bad condition)
Zander/Philharmonia Orchestra
Zinman/Tonhalle Orchestra Zurich

Am I missing something I wonder?
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Post by Lance » Sun May 16, 2010 9:02 pm

These are my Mahler Firsts ...

♪Zubin Mehta/New York Philharmonic, Sony
♪Bruno Walter/Columbia Symphony, Sony
♪Dimitri Mitropoulous/Minneapolis Symphony, Sony
♪Erich Leinsdorf/Royal Philharmonic, Decca
♪Zubin Mehta/Israel Philharmonic, Decca
♪Hermann Scherchen/Vienna State Opera Orch, DGG/Westminster
♪Kiril Kondrashin/NDR Symphony, EMI
♪Dimitri Mitropoulos/NYP, Archipel (live 1955)
♪Rudolf Kempe/Munich Philharmonic, BBC Legends
♪Dimitri Mitropoulos/NYP, Discantus (live 1960)
♪Igor Markevich/Italy (live 1967), Living Stage; Memories
♪Hans Rosbaud/Berlin Philharmonic (live 1955)
♪Paul Kletzki/Israel Philharmonic, Preiser
♪Kurt Masur/New York Philharmonic, Teldec
♪Jascha Horenstein/London Phlharmonic, Unicorn
♪Jascha Horenstein/Vienna Symphony, Vox
♪Herbert Kegel/Dresden Philharmonic/Weitblick (live)
♪Riccardo Chailly/Royal Concertgebouw, Netherlands Radio (live)
♪Eugene Ormandy/Philadelphia Orchestra, RCA
♪Bruno Walter/New York Philharmonic, Columbia
♪William Steinberg/Pittsburgh Symphony, Pickwick
♪Carlo Maria Giulini/Chicago Symphony, EMI
♪Leonard Bernstein, New York Philiharmonic, Sony
♪Seiji Ozawa/Boston Symphony, DGG
♪Erich Leinsdorf/Boston Symphony, RCA
♪Klaus Tennstedt/London Philharmonic, EMI
♪Dimitri Mitropoulos/New York Philharmonic, Cetra (live 1951)
♪Rafael Kubelik/Bavarian Radio Orch, DGG
♪Ricardo Muti/Philadelphia Orch, EMI
♪Dimitri Mitropoulos/New York Philharmonic, Grandi Concerti (live 1955)
♪Lorin Maazel/Vienna Philharmonic Orch, Sony
♪James Levine/London Symphony Orchestra, RCA

One of the most compelling performances I have ever heard is by Seiji Ozawa with the Boston Symphony. I am not an Ozawa fan at all, but something happened that day when the recording was made. For me it remains exceptional.

For the most part, I am not seeking any other recordings of the work except Claudio Abbado's {DGG], which I should have had a long time ago. I seem to be completely happy with what I have. The MAHLER EXCEPTIONS are the BOXED SET from DGG [477 8668, 11 CDs] with Leonard Bernstein conducting AND DGG's new “Complete Mahler Edition” [477 8825, 18 CDs]. When I have those two sets, I don't expect to want too much more Mahler after that. Both of those sets are remarkably low-priced. I'll just have to tune another piano! :)
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Re: Taking Stock: Gustav Mahler's First Symphony

Post by CharmNewton » Mon May 17, 2010 12:17 am

Lance wrote:You are not showing the Dimitri Mitropoulos recording (Columbia Records) reissued by Sony Classical [62342]. This is with the Minneapolis Symphony (stunningly transferred from 78-rpm discs). I believe I am correct in saying this was the first-ever recording of Mahler's Symphony #1/Titan. But don't quote me.
You'd be correct in stating it was the first recording of the symphony, but it was transferred from 33 1/3 RPM masters, the first of Columbia's recording to be recorded at that speed rather than 78 RPM. This was one of the changes introduced after American Columbia was acquired by the Columbia Broadcasting System (CBS). 33 1/3 RPM had long been used for radio transcriptions with excellent results.

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Re: Taking Stock: Gustav Mahler's First Symphony

Post by arthound » Mon May 17, 2010 2:01 am

Hi Sean,

I would add my vote for a Bernstein version with a tip of the hat towards his DG recording. Boulez on DG is also very good and a great contrast to Bernstein. You seem to have three Kubelik recordings already but I would suggest you consider his Audite version - probably my favourite performance of the third movement! It is available for 6 pounds here:

http://www.mdt.co.uk/MDTSite/product//AUDITE10022.htm

Cheers,
Justin

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Post by Harold Tucker » Mon May 17, 2010 10:08 am

Believe it or not, Ozawa and Boston(DG)--a really exciting, incisive performance. Might give you a hint of how he got the job.

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Re: Taking Stock: Gustav Mahler's First Symphony

Post by Seán » Mon May 17, 2010 12:47 pm

arthound wrote:Hi Sean,

I would add my vote for a Bernstein version with a tip of the hat towards his DG recording. Boulez on DG is also very good and a great contrast to Bernstein. You seem to have three Kubelik recordings already but I would suggest you consider his Audite version - probably my favourite performance of the third movement! It is available for 6 pounds here:

http://www.mdt.co.uk/MDTSite/product//AUDITE10022.htm

Cheers,
Justin
Thanks Justin, I have started collecting Kubelik's Mahler recordings on Audite, I'm fond of Kubleik's approach to Mahler's music.
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Post by Chalkperson » Mon May 17, 2010 1:18 pm

Seán wrote:
Neytiri wrote:
Seán wrote: How informative. :? :lol:
Your collection almost seems like a museum! So these probably won't fit into your sensibilities:

Gielen/SWR
Chailly/RCO
Boulez/CSO
Abbado/BPO
Honeck/Pittsburgh
Tilson Thomas/SFSO
Levine/LSO
Slatkin/St. Louis
Jansons/RCO
Maazel/VPO
Nott/Bamberg

Many others...
A museum? Thanks very much!
Neytiri wrote:But with some excellent exhibits!
I agree with Neytiri, many of those readings on his list are very good...I would also say that Manfred Honeck's recording with the Pittsburgh Philharmonic on Exton is my (latest) favourite, a must hear recording...I also love Paul Kletzki's reading...
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Re: Taking Stock: Gustav Mahler's First Symphony

Post by Neytiri » Mon May 17, 2010 1:41 pm

Chalkperson wrote: I agree with Neytiri, many of those readings on his list are very good...I would also say that Manfred Honeck's recording with the Pittsburgh Philharmonic on Exton is my (latest) favourite, a must hear recording...I also love Paul Kletzki's reading...
Honeck is a conductor to watch, the recording is excellent! 8)

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Post by Lance » Mon May 17, 2010 2:22 pm

Good information, John. I vaguely recall talking to Howard H. Scott, Columbia Records' engineer and producer, about this recording with Mitropoulos as he was describing to me how they transferred so many recordings from 78s to the early LP format. I have not been in touch with Howard in a long time; his son used to live in our area and I would see him from time to time. Alas, he must approaching 85 years of age or older at this point.
CharmNewton wrote:
Lance wrote:You are not showing the Dimitri Mitropoulos recording (Columbia Records) reissued by Sony Classical [62342]. This is with the Minneapolis Symphony (stunningly transferred from 78-rpm discs). I believe I am correct in saying this was the first-ever recording of Mahler's Symphony #1/Titan. But don't quote me.
You'd be correct in stating it was the first recording of the symphony, but it was transferred from 33 1/3 RPM masters, the first of Columbia's recording to be recorded at that speed rather than 78 RPM. This was one of the changes introduced after American Columbia was acquired by the Columbia Broadcasting System (CBS). 33 1/3 RPM had long been used for radio transcriptions with excellent results.

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Post by weintraa » Tue May 18, 2010 7:41 am

Ancerl/Czech Phil.

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Post by RebLem » Tue May 18, 2010 9:32 am

Mine:

Abbado, Berlin Phil
Abravanel, Utah Sym.
Ancerl, Czech Phil.--Supraphon Praga LP
Bernstein, NYPO
Bernstein, Concertgebouw
Bertini, Koln RSO
Boulez, Chicago Sym.
Chailly, Concertgebouw
Haitink, Concertgebouw
Horenstein, London Sym.--Nonesuch LP
Inbal, Frankfurt RSO
Kempe, BBC Sym.
Kubelik, Bavarian RSO
Levine, London Sym.
Nanut, Ljubljana Sym.
Segerstam, Danish NRSO
Sinopoli, Philharmonia Orch.
Solti, Chicago Sym.
Tabakov, Sofia Phil.
Tennstedt, London Phil.
Thomas, San Francisco Sym.
Walter, Columbia Sym.
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