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12 Top Piano Composers

Post by Lance » Sat Nov 27, 2010 5:06 pm

This is a ranking list of piano composers. Only top dozen Best Piano Composers, according to different criteria, are presented. The ranking is in particular based on the number of occurences of each piano composer in web pages, news, pictures and people votes in corresponding context. How does this lineup rate with YOUR thoughts on the subject?

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1. 540 Ludwig van Beethoven
2. 472 George Gershwin
3. 248 Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart
4. 216 Frederic Chopin
5. 214 Johannes Brahms
6. 198 Franz Schubert
7. 181 Felix Mendelssohn
8. 181 Dmitri Shostakovich
9. 174 Franz Liszt
10. 158 Joseph Haydn
11. 150 Maurice Ravel
12. 147 Edvard Grieg
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Re: 12 Top Piano Composers

Post by Chalkperson » Sat Nov 27, 2010 5:30 pm

Bach
Beethoven
Schubert
Chopin
Liszt
Mozart
Feldman
Haydn
Shostakovich
Rachmaninov
Debussy
Ravel

Something like that...
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Re: 12 Top Piano Composers

Post by jbuck919 » Sat Nov 27, 2010 6:25 pm

Lance wrote:This is a ranking list of piano composers. Only top dozen Best Piano Composers, according to different criteria, are presented. The ranking is in particular based on the number of occurences of each piano composer in web pages, news, pictures and people votes in corresponding context. How does this lineup rate with YOUR thoughts on the subject?

Rank Score Composer

1. 540 Ludwig van Beethoven
2. 472 George Gershwin
3. 248 Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart
4. 216 Frederic Chopin
5. 214 Johannes Brahms
6. 198 Franz Schubert
7. 181 Felix Mendelssohn
8. 181 Dmitri Shostakovich
9. 174 Franz Liszt
10. 158 Joseph Haydn
11. 150 Maurice Ravel
12. 147 Edvard Grieg

Lance, I hope you're willing to take responsibility for Jack Kelso's death from apoplexy. :)

Schumann's absence from the list is scandalous, of course. Most people who use more artistic criteria than "number of occurrences of each piano composer in web pages," etc. would put Beethoven, Mozart and Chopin in the first three slots with what comes after somewhat less clear. Gershwin does not belong on the list at all, but Debussy most certainly does, and high up. Other than those problems, which are pretty glaring, it is remarkable how many deserving composers are on the list, given the criteria.

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Re: 12 Top Piano Composers

Post by Wallingford » Sun Nov 28, 2010 12:01 am

Speaking as a fellow keyboardist, I say the official list's AOK! :D
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Re: 12 Top Piano Composers

Post by piston » Sun Nov 28, 2010 12:12 am

Poland: Chopin (without a doubt)
USA: Gershwin
France: Debussy (over Ravel)
All Scandinavia: Grieg
Spain: Albeniz
Hungary: Bartok (over Liszt)
Russia (very tough!): Prokofiev, I guess (sigh!)
Germania: Beethoven, first; Bach, second; Mozart, third.
How about Italy?
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Re: 12 Top Piano Composers

Post by Jack Kelso » Sun Nov 28, 2010 2:40 am

jbuck919 wrote:
Lance wrote:This is a ranking list of piano composers. Only top dozen Best Piano Composers, according to different criteria, are presented. The ranking is in particular based on the number of occurences of each piano composer in web pages, news, pictures and people votes in corresponding context. How does this lineup rate with YOUR thoughts on the subject?

Rank Score Composer

1. 540 Ludwig van Beethoven
2. 472 George Gershwin
3. 248 Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart
4. 216 Frederic Chopin
5. 214 Johannes Brahms
6. 198 Franz Schubert
7. 181 Felix Mendelssohn
8. 181 Dmitri Shostakovich
9. 174 Franz Liszt
10. 158 Joseph Haydn
11. 150 Maurice Ravel
12. 147 Edvard Grieg

Lance, I hope you're willing to take responsibility for Jack Kelso's death from apoplexy. :)

Schumann's absence from the list is scandalous, of course. Most people who use more artistic criteria than "number of occurrences of each piano composer in web pages," etc. would put Beethoven, Mozart and Chopin in the first three slots with what comes after somewhat less clear. Gershwin does not belong on the list at all, but Debussy most certainly does, and high up. Other than those problems, which are pretty glaring, it is remarkable how many deserving composers are on the list, given the criteria.
You're right, John. Must have been made by folks who have no concept of the piano repertoire. Haydn and Grieg above Debussy?!? Any serious concert pianist would include Schumann anywhere from no. 1 to no. 3 or 4.

That list is the equivalent of leaving off Mozart from a list of chamber music masters....or placing Telemann ahead of Handel as an opera composer..... :lol:

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Re: 12 Top Piano Composers

Post by Lance » Sun Nov 28, 2010 2:43 am

Yes, I know, I know. On another similar thread, I said I almost DIDN'T show these lists, however, perhaps we all need some good "laffs" from time-to-time. And yes, John, the absence of Schumann is ridiculous. Take these particular Top Dozen lists halfheartedly.
jbuck919 wrote:
Lance wrote:This is a ranking list of piano composers. Only top dozen Best Piano Composers, according to different criteria, are presented. The ranking is in particular based on the number of occurences of each piano composer in web pages, news, pictures and people votes in corresponding context. How does this lineup rate with YOUR thoughts on the subject?

Rank Score Composer

1. 540 Ludwig van Beethoven
2. 472 George Gershwin
3. 248 Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart
4. 216 Frederic Chopin
5. 214 Johannes Brahms
6. 198 Franz Schubert
7. 181 Felix Mendelssohn
8. 181 Dmitri Shostakovich
9. 174 Franz Liszt
10. 158 Joseph Haydn
11. 150 Maurice Ravel
12. 147 Edvard Grieg

Lance, I hope you're willing to take responsibility for Jack Kelso's death from apoplexy. :)

Schumann's absence from the list is scandalous, of course. Most people who use more artistic criteria than "number of occurrences of each piano composer in web pages," etc. would put Beethoven, Mozart and Chopin in the first three slots with what comes after somewhat less clear. Gershwin does not belong on the list at all, but Debussy most certainly does, and high up. Other than those problems, which are pretty glaring, it is remarkable how many deserving composers are on the list, given the criteria.
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Re: 12 Top Piano Composers

Post by some guy » Sun Nov 28, 2010 3:11 am

The twelve Lance has mentioned and all the others that other posters have mentioned are all good composers who have written good pieces for piano.

Why all these people have to be ranked and why twelve have to be separated out from the others and designated to be "top" is something I do not understand.

Here are a few more composers who have written good pieces for piano, in no order:

Walter Marchetti
John Cage
Karlheinz Stockhausen
Pierre Boulez
Charles Ives
Simeon Ten Holt
Daniel Lenz
Tom Johnson
Christian Woolf
Salvatore Sciarrino
Frederick Rzewski
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Re: 12 Top Piano Composers

Post by Jack Kelso » Sun Nov 28, 2010 3:30 am

Lance wrote:Yes, I know, I know. On another similar thread, I said I almost DIDN'T show these lists, however, perhaps we all need some good "laffs" from time-to-time. And yes, John, the absence of Schumann is ridiculous. Take these particular Top Dozen lists halfheartedly.
jbuck919 wrote:
Lance wrote:This is a ranking list of piano composers. Only top dozen Best Piano Composers, according to different criteria, are presented. The ranking is in particular based on the number of occurences of each piano composer in web pages, news, pictures and people votes in corresponding context. How does this lineup rate with YOUR thoughts on the subject?

Rank Score Composer

1. 540 Ludwig van Beethoven
2. 472 George Gershwin
3. 248 Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart
4. 216 Frederic Chopin
5. 214 Johannes Brahms
6. 198 Franz Schubert
7. 181 Felix Mendelssohn
8. 181 Dmitri Shostakovich
9. 174 Franz Liszt
10. 158 Joseph Haydn
11. 150 Maurice Ravel
12. 147 Edvard Grieg

Lance, I hope you're willing to take responsibility for Jack Kelso's death from apoplexy. :)

Schumann's absence from the list is scandalous, of course. Most people who use more artistic criteria than "number of occurrences of each piano composer in web pages," etc. would put Beethoven, Mozart and Chopin in the first three slots with what comes after somewhat less clear. Gershwin does not belong on the list at all, but Debussy most certainly does, and high up. Other than those problems, which are pretty glaring, it is remarkable how many deserving composers are on the list, given the criteria.
Well, I AM relieved to hear that whatever criteria were used---originality, melodic invention, rhythmic drive, harmonic power and depth of expression were apparently NOT included.

Hey, Lance! Did it occur to you that perhaps---only perhaps---the list stems from Chalkie!? (Using an alias, natch!). :roll: :lol:

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Post by Chalkperson » Sun Nov 28, 2010 3:43 am

Jack Kelso wrote: Hey, Lance! Did it occur to you that perhaps---only perhaps---the list stems from Chalkie!? (Using an alias, natch!). :roll: :lol:

Tschüß,
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No Jack, it's not from me, but, it does show quite a universal indifference to Schumann's shoddy output... :lol:
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Post by Jared » Sun Nov 28, 2010 4:55 am

my initial reacion was... how come no Schumann... :?

and why is Gershwin so high? must be an American list... he scarcely gets a look in over here... :mrgreen:

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Re: 12 Top Piano Composers

Post by Seán » Sun Nov 28, 2010 6:02 am

Lance wrote:This is a ranking list of piano composers. Only top dozen Best Piano Composers, according to different criteria, are presented. The ranking is in particular based on the number of occurences of each piano composer in web pages, news, pictures and people votes in corresponding context. How does this lineup rate with YOUR thoughts on the subject?

Rank Score Composer

1. 540 Ludwig van Beethoven
2. 472 George Gershwin
3. 248 Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart
4. 216 Frederic Chopin
5. 214 Johannes Brahms
6. 198 Franz Schubert
7. 181 Felix Mendelssohn
8. 181 Dmitri Shostakovich
9. 174 Franz Liszt
10. 158 Joseph Haydn
11. 150 Maurice Ravel
12. 147 Edvard Grieg
I'm not an expert on this matter at all. I am surprised though that Debussy is not on the list, perhaps it's ignorence on my part to expect him to rank in the "top twelve". I love his solo piano work though and this list will not influence me one way or another. :wink:
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Re: 12 Top Piano Composers

Post by jbuck919 » Sun Nov 28, 2010 6:56 am

piston wrote:Poland: Chopin (without a doubt)
USA: Gershwin
France: Debussy (over Ravel)
All Scandinavia: Grieg
Spain: Albeniz
Hungary: Bartok (over Liszt)
Russia (very tough!): Prokofiev, I guess (sigh!)
Germania: Beethoven, first; Bach, second; Mozart, third.
How about Italy?
That's one way to get around the Gershwin problem, the Grieg problem, etc. :wink:

If you allow Bach, then you can allow Scarlatti, and that takes care of Italy.

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Post by John F » Sun Nov 28, 2010 7:37 am

With a pointer from Lance, I've found out as much as I could about where these lists come from and what they are. Comments posted in the 12 Top Recorded PIANISTS thread.

http://www.classicalmusicguide.com/view ... 10&t=37410
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Post by karlhenning » Sun Nov 28, 2010 8:42 am

Lance wrote:This is a ranking list of piano composers. Only top dozen Best Piano Composers, according to different criteria, are presented. The ranking is in particular based on the number of occurences of each piano composer in web pages, news, pictures and people votes in corresponding context. How does this lineup rate with YOUR thoughts on the subject?

Rank Score Composer

1. 540 Ludwig van Beethoven
2. 472 George Gershwin
3. 248 Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart
4. 216 Frederic Chopin
5. 214 Johannes Brahms
6. 198 Franz Schubert
7. 181 Felix Mendelssohn
8. 181 Dmitri Shostakovich
9. 174 Franz Liszt
10. 158 Joseph Haydn
11. 150 Maurice Ravel
12. 147 Edvard Grieg
Well, if the ranking is based on number of occurences in web pages, news, pictures and people votes . . . the list has already cantered off any path of ranking them as composers for the piano. However well one may like his music, Gershwin is absurdly high there. Shostakovich ranking above Liszt as a composer for the piano puzzles me (highly as I do regard the Opus 87).

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Re: 12 Top Piano Composers

Post by karlhenning » Sun Nov 28, 2010 9:06 am

Lance wrote:How does this lineup rate with YOUR thoughts on the subject?

Rank Score Composer

1. 540 Ludwig van Beethoven
2. 472 George Gershwin
3. 248 Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart
4. 216 Frederic Chopin
5. 214 Johannes Brahms
6. 198 Franz Schubert
7. 181 Felix Mendelssohn
8. 181 Dmitri Shostakovich
9. 174 Franz Liszt
10. 158 Joseph Haydn
11. 150 Maurice Ravel
12. 147 Edvard Grieg
Personally, the omissions from this list which enrage me are: Rakhmaninov & Prokofiev.

Grieg & Gershwin are on that last, but Rakhmaninov & Prokofiev are not? Patently ridiculous.

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Post by Wallingford » Sun Nov 28, 2010 1:46 pm

I'll recant just a tad:

No SCOTT JOPLIN?!!@*
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Post by Jack Kelso » Sun Nov 28, 2010 1:46 pm

karlhenning wrote:
Lance wrote:How does this lineup rate with YOUR thoughts on the subject?

Rank Score Composer

1. 540 Ludwig van Beethoven
2. 472 George Gershwin
3. 248 Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart
4. 216 Frederic Chopin
5. 214 Johannes Brahms
6. 198 Franz Schubert
7. 181 Felix Mendelssohn
8. 181 Dmitri Shostakovich
9. 174 Franz Liszt
10. 158 Joseph Haydn
11. 150 Maurice Ravel
12. 147 Edvard Grieg
Personally, the omissions from this list which enrage me are: Rakhmaninov & Prokofiev.

Grieg & Gershwin are on that last, but Rakhmaninov & Prokofiev are not? Patently ridiculous.

Cheers,
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This time we agree, Karl. Not only Schumann and Debussy are left out, but also Rachmaninoff and Prokofiev! And what about Scriabin?!? Such a listing is even less than a joke.

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Post by Jack Kelso » Sun Nov 28, 2010 1:52 pm

Chalkperson wrote:
Jack Kelso wrote: Hey, Lance! Did it occur to you that perhaps---only perhaps---the list stems from Chalkie!? (Using an alias, natch!). :roll: :lol:

Tschüß,
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No Jack, it's not from me, but, it does show quite a universal indifference to Schumann's shoddy output... :lol:
Hey, Chalkie! How do you expect to win the coveted "Stan and Ollie" award without help from your old buddy, Karl? :lol:

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Post by piston » Sun Nov 28, 2010 3:27 pm

Concerning Gershwin, I think his popularity is a function of his mass appeal, however defined. After all, his Rhapsody in Blue was by far the most frequently recorded work by a US composer thirty years ago and probably remains so today. Over 72 different recordings of the Rhapsody are listed in the 1982 discography of Carol Oja. By comparison, Barber's adagio had 25 recordings and Copland's Appalachian Suite had 19 recordings. Not even close!
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Post by Chalkperson » Sun Nov 28, 2010 3:49 pm

Jack Kelso wrote:Hey, Chalkie! How do you expect to win the coveted "Stan and Ollie" award without help from your old buddy, Karl? :lol:

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Post by premont » Sun Nov 28, 2010 4:39 pm

jbuck919 wrote:If you allow Bach, then you can allow Scarlatti, and that takes care of Italy.
If you allow Bach the title of the thread should have been: 12 top keyboard composers.

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Post by Wallingford » Mon Nov 29, 2010 1:15 pm

As for the omission of Bach & Scarlatti, I'd have to say the harpsichordists long since marked their territory there.

Haydn & Mozart just made it under the wire to the good side.
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Post by Chalkperson » Mon Nov 29, 2010 2:24 pm

Wallingford wrote:As for the omission of Bach & Scarlatti, I'd have to say the harpsichordists long since marked their territory there.

Haydn & Mozart just made it under the wire to the good side.
But, Bach knew that the Grand Piano would be coming in a couple of hundred years (on his walk back from visiting Buxtehude he had a vision of someone called Steinway) and took that into account when composing "keyboard" music, so he definitely gets my number one slot... :wink:
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Post by Steinway » Tue Nov 30, 2010 10:36 pm

Any such list that excludes Schumann and Bach is a list not taking too seriously. :x

I really get bent out of shape when I see these threads about who are the "greatest" anything.

Questions like whose Barcarolle you prefer? above all others are fine. Not scientific but emotional reponses required.

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Post by karlhenning » Wed Dec 01, 2010 6:13 am

Cliftwood wrote:Any such list that excludes Schumann and Bach is a list not taking too seriously. :x
. . . except that Bach didn't write for a piano, of course : )

Good to see you, cliftwood!

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Re: 12 Top Piano Composers

Post by ChamberNut » Tue Jan 11, 2011 4:01 pm

My favorite composers for piano works currently, are:

Beethoven, Schubert, Brahms, Mozart and Schumann

after those four:

Bach, Chopin, Tchaikovsky

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Post by karlhenning » Tue Jan 11, 2011 4:24 pm

Ray! I cannot believe that Chopin is not in the Top Five! : )

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Re: 12 Top Piano Composers

Post by Jack Kelso » Tue Jan 11, 2011 5:01 pm

karlhenning wrote:Ray! I cannot believe that Chopin is not in the Top Five! : )

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Hmm. Simple. Extract Brahms----insert Chopin. :wink:

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Post by ChamberNut » Tue Jan 11, 2011 5:50 pm

karlhenning wrote:Ray! I cannot believe that Chopin is not in the Top Five! : )

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He's just not for me. I do like Chopin's music, I just don't love it. I'd much rather listen to Brahms or Beethoven.

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Re: 12 Top Piano Composers

Post by Wallingford » Tue Jan 11, 2011 6:09 pm

Nice this thread was revived: I wanted to bring up a very relevant point in regards to the "questionable" selection above. Each of these men (Gershwin, somewhat possibly, excepted) wrote considerable quantities of music for the amateur, quantities quite rivaling or even surpassing those for the professional virtuoso. Something's definitely in their favor, as per their thoughtfulness towards this humongeous camp of eager players.
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