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Post by JackC » Thu Apr 26, 2007 8:59 pm

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070426/ap_ ... e_election

So now the French can't wait to pull their remaining troops out of Afghanistan.

I haven't heard anyone suggest that it's a good idea to let Afghanistan fall back into the hands of the Taliban. But hey, why should the French play any part, when they can let everyone else do it, and sit back, gripe about everyone else, and maybe reduce the work week to 30 hours while they are at it. :roll:

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Post by DSzymborski » Thu Apr 26, 2007 9:22 pm

Honestly, does the presence of the French really help things? Have they won a military confrontation since Ligny in 1815?
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Post by JackC » Thu Apr 26, 2007 9:36 pm

No, they are worse than useless militarily. It's just a shame that they get to live off of everyone else's sacrifices. You would think that that would embarrass them, but, hey, it's France.

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Post by Ralph » Thu Apr 26, 2007 9:39 pm

I bet the Foreign Legion is like a toddlers' day camp these days.
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Post by Brendan » Thu Apr 26, 2007 9:43 pm

Ralph wrote:I bet the Foreign Legion is like a toddlers' day camp these days.
Probably is compared to the days when they had so many German recruits post WWII.

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Post by Chalkperson » Thu Apr 26, 2007 10:48 pm

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Useless Fries
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Parasitic Fries

nope, nothing works better than 'Freedom Fries" :wink:

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Post by Corlyss_D » Fri Apr 27, 2007 12:29 am

JackC wrote:No, they are worse than useless militarily.
Exactly. I'll always remember them for selling to the highest bidder the people they were supposed to protect.
[Sarkozy] denounced the United States' refusal to cap carbon emissions and proposed taxing imports from China because it too has refused to limit greenhouse gases
:lol: Must be running left to snag the independents in the general election.
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Post by Harold Tucker » Fri Apr 27, 2007 8:41 am

I see our hate filled liberals are at it again.

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Post by JackC » Fri Apr 27, 2007 9:18 am

Yep, I hope they vote for the Socialist, Royal. It would be fun to see how low they could actually sink.

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Post by Gregory Kleyn » Fri Apr 27, 2007 6:31 pm

JackC wrote:Yep, I hope they vote for the Socialist, Royal. It would be fun to see how low they could actually sink.
She's smart and sophisticated and beautiful (and speaks in complete and intelligible sentences). Wish we had someone like her.

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Post by jbuck919 » Fri Apr 27, 2007 9:42 pm

Gregory Kleyn wrote:
JackC wrote:Yep, I hope they vote for the Socialist, Royal. It would be fun to see how low they could actually sink.
She's smart and sophisticated and beautiful (and speaks in complete and intelligible sentences). Wish we had someone like her.
Well, we do, but Corlyss probably thinks the same thing about the French as JackC.

Seriously, folks, we can't have this kind of trash job here. We are supposed to be above the elevated language edition of the Cracker Barrel Times. The assumption is that nobody here is from France. so we can safely talk about them behind their back the way we might have told a derogatory ethnic joke on the assumption that no one of that ethnicity was present. We actually lost a member from another European country not long ago when something not nearly this outrageous was posted. In such matters, citizens of the US who make these kinds of crude attacks are always going to be in the position of people who live in glass houses.

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Post by Chalkperson » Fri Apr 27, 2007 10:11 pm

Seriously, folks, we can't have this kind of trash job here. We are supposed to be above the elevated language edition of the Cracker Barrel Times.

Never was a truer word spoken...what happened to civility, i'm just a pleb and a newcomer, but you lot are pretty scary...

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Post by Corlyss_D » Sat Apr 28, 2007 2:58 am

jbuck919 wrote:
Gregory Kleyn wrote:
JackC wrote:Yep, I hope they vote for the Socialist, Royal. It would be fun to see how low they could actually sink.
She's smart and sophisticated and beautiful (and speaks in complete and intelligible sentences). Wish we had someone like her.
Well, we do, but Corlyss probably thinks the same thing about the French as JackC.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: I don't know whether to laff or cry, being compared to a good-looking flaming socialist.
Seriously, folks, we can't have this kind of trash job here.
Sure we can. You know, it's very annoying that the liberals here are free to say whatever they want to, about conservatives and Republicans in general, the President, the Vice President, southerners, religious folks, etc., but the conservatives are supposed to maintain a "high tone." I heard that one of our newer members called this a "hate-filled" board because he disagreed with some of the conservative posts. Naturally I don't agree with his assessment. There's a lot of open talk here by opinionated people. But let me break the coded message behind the newbie's complaint: if you disparage the right things (Bush, neocons, conservates, the military, America, Republicans), anything goes; but if you disparage the wrong things (liberals, Democrats, victicrats, PC, pacifism, secularism, soft-headed European policies), you are biased, disagreeable, disruptive and should be censured. I had enough of that double-standard crap from the late and unlamented Alban Berg.
The assumption is that nobody here is from France. so we can safely talk about them behind their back the way we might have told a derogatory ethnic joke on the assumption that no one of that ethnicity was present.


Not.

If there is anyone from France here, let 'em step up to defend the honor of their country.
We actually lost a member from another European country not long ago when something not nearly this outrageous was posted.


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BFD. They can dish it out but they can't take it. I've left at least 2 music sites, one of which I was a substantial contributor to, because of their Europeans' rabid anti-Semitism, anti-Americanism, and non-stop attacks on Bush and anyone that defended American actions.
In such matters, citizens of the US who make these kinds of crude attacks are always going to be in the position of people who live in glass houses.
It wouldn't matter if Americans were saints, the reaction would be the same. The Europeans despise us when we help them out; they despise us when we do nothing; they despise us when we do something they don't have the guts or the ability to do; they despise us when we listen to them and agree with them; they despise us when we listen to them and disagree with them. Pardon me if I conclude they despise us, period, and don't give a rip what their opinion is. When they need us, they'll use us and denounce us all the same; when they don't need us, they'll complain about us just for sport.
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Post by Corlyss_D » Sat Apr 28, 2007 3:07 am

Chalkperson wrote:what happened to civility,
Has anyone here been rude to another member here in this discussion? I think not. If someone were to PM me and say, "Someone is abusing the French and I won't stand for it!" I would have to tell 'em that's not against the rules here. The only thing that counts as far as the rules here are members abusing other members. If someone were to PM me and say, "Someone is abusing our Aussie members and I won't stand for it!" I would have to intervene and get the offender squared away.
i'm just a pleb and a newcomer, but you lot are pretty scary...
Well, I sympathize with you, coming from NYC. I'm sure you rarely hear anything except urban liberal pap. We have a few outspoken conservatives here (not nearly as many as liberals), something you won't likely find on many boards devoted to the arts. If you think we're shocking, you need to hang here some more. We're really quite tame.
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Post by Barry » Sat Apr 28, 2007 10:33 am

Corlyss_D wrote:
We actually lost a member from another European country not long ago when something not nearly this outrageous was posted.


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BFD. They can dish it out but they can't take it. I've left at least 2 music sites, one of which I was a substantial contributor to, because of their Europeans' rabid anti-Semitism, anti-Americanism, and non-stop attacks on Bush and anyone that defended American actions.
Likewise. Two for me as well (and a third where I've simply decided to stick to music threads and stay away from the political ones because of how rabid the anti-Americanism is on that board); for those same reasons. If people feel more comfortable in a setting where it's okay to call the American president a fascist and disparage American culture, but not okay to criticize Europe or defend American foreign policy, that's fine by me. I prefer the atmosphere here.
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Post by Donald Isler » Sat Apr 28, 2007 10:47 am

Corlyss wrote:

"I'm sure you rarely hear anything except urban liberal pap."

Ah, yes. Conservative pap is so much better for the soul!
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Post by Chalkperson » Sat Apr 28, 2007 10:57 am

We actually lost a member from another European country not long ago when something not nearly this outrageous was posted.


You nearly lost me last week as well, but, after considering it and pm'ing Lance I decided to stick to the music threads, not start any more threads here and merely observe. Whilst peoples comments may not have broken any 'House Rules' I stand by my decision to agree with John...
If you think we're shocking, you need to hang here some more. We're really quite tame.
Oh, right, tame like a pit bull...
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Post by jbuck919 » Sat Apr 28, 2007 11:00 am

I'd like to make it clear (though most people here know me better anyway) that when I said Americans live in glass houses, I did not mean that they should take every snearing, unfair, and untrue criticism or damning generalization lying down. I meant that if the critics wanted to take the US to task for legitimate reasons they have plenty of ammunition.

Unlike others I have never been on a board where anti-Americanism is a matter of sport. It would surely send me packing as it did Corlyss and Barry. However, I don't think that's cause for mindlessly brickbatting other countries on this board.

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Post by Corlyss_D » Sat Apr 28, 2007 2:33 pm

Chalkperson wrote:I decided to stick to the music threads, not start any more threads here and merely observe.
:shock: Well THAT's hardly the spirit! I honestly don't see the difference between commenting on posts and initiating threads. It's true you need to have a thick skin, regardless of your politics, if you're going to participate here. It looks a bit wild to newbies, but most of us here have been grinding against each other for over 3 years now and we know what to expect. I hope you will reconsider but you have to expect some push back on politics. Cripes! We have a septuagenarian grandmother here in the pub who gives as good as she gets. Surely you have that much mettle!
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Post by Corlyss_D » Sat Apr 28, 2007 2:44 pm

Donald Isler wrote:Corlyss wrote:

"I'm sure you rarely hear anything except urban liberal pap."

Ah, yes. Conservative pap is so much better for the soul!
It'll keep you safe, make you richer, raise you above the herd, cure you of delusions about the perfectibility of man, and probably grow hair on your head as well. Urban liberal pap simply can't compare for salutary effects.
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Post by Corlyss_D » Sat Apr 28, 2007 2:52 pm

jbuck919 wrote:I don't think that's cause for mindlessly brickbatting other countries on this board.
I would agree with you if I thought it was mindless. The criticisms have some basis in fact. One has only to recall the tepid French actions last summer in Lebanon as compared to their bold but empty rhetoric to get the idea. And let's not forget their craven behavior as well as that of the Dutch in Bosnia-Kosovo after cheerfully standing around in shameless indifference, waiting for the US to take the lead and commit the vast majority of ground troops in yet another European mess they were completely incapable of dealing with, militarily or morally.
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Post by Chalkperson » Sat Apr 28, 2007 7:19 pm

Corlyss_D wrote::shock: Well THAT's hardly the spirit! I honestly don't see the difference between commenting on posts and initiating threads.
Understanding why they hate us...
Wright's book is too good to be set up with such a smarmy title as the one on this thread.[/quote]

Why should I initiate something, when I do and even though you agree with me that it's a good book, you still attack me...makes me think you might have been a lawyer in an earlier life... :wink:

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Post by Corlyss_D » Sat Apr 28, 2007 8:10 pm

Chalkperson wrote:makes me think you might have been a lawyer in an earlier life... :wink:
Guilty as charged. I was for 13 years. I'm sorry. No excuses. I still think you could have come up with a better title but I apologize. I was in a hurry. I honestly thought later that I might have been too sharp with a new member.
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Post by Evelyn Laden » Sun Apr 29, 2007 11:59 am

Seems to me that ANY disagreement is OK so long as there is no personal invective, and the nature of the disagreement has substance instead of being mere idle chatter, which is a complete waste of anyone's time. I agree with Corlyss that a thick skin is helpful, and would advise anyone becoming engaged in some of these political discussions to grow one if she/he doesn't already have it.

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Post by Gregory Kleyn » Sun Apr 29, 2007 2:34 pm

Evelyn Laden wrote:. I agree with Corlyss that a thick skin is helpful, and would advise anyone becoming engaged in some of these political discussions to grow one if she/he doesn't already have it.
Silly talk, really. It takes a thick skin to endure quickly passing and always inconsequential barbs on an internet talk forum? That such pin pricks could ever ruin one's day is extraordinary.

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Post by JackC » Sun Apr 29, 2007 2:53 pm

Oh geeeeee -- I'm sorry for making an uncivil attack on France. lol I'm sure that no one from France would ever, ever say such negative things about US foreign policy. :roll:


The fact is that ever since the leaders, and most of the population, of France decided that its cities were sooooo lovely that it would be better to have the Nazis in charge than risk them being damaged, France has behaved exacly like a parasite, enjoying all the freedom and prosperity that was secured by others without making a meaningful contribution. They are so delusional, they even managed to convince themselves that they were responsible for the liberation of Paris. lol

If they can't see why they should be asked, indeed EXPECTED, to contribute to the effort to fight the Taliban in Afghanistan, what possible good is it to even talk to them about security matters?? After 9/11 they said "we are all Americans now" -- Yeah right lol The fact is the French only "liked" us when they saw us down on the ground bleeding, not when we fought back.


All they want to is continue to allow others to do all the dirty work and sit back and b*tch as if things would be sooo much better of we would just listen and do what the French want. If that offends some French or Europeans who think that the rules of discussion are such that it is only fair to viciously attack the US, well Excuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuseeeeee Meeeeeeeeeeeeeeee! :wink:

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Post by living_stradivarius » Sun Apr 29, 2007 5:23 pm

JackC wrote:Excuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuseeeeee Meeeeeeeeeeeeeeee! :wink:
Be careful, you're starting to sound French.
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Post by Chalkperson » Sun Apr 29, 2007 5:35 pm

living_stradivarius wrote:
JackC wrote:Excuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuseeeeee Meeeeeeeeeeeeeeee! :wink:
Be careful, you're starting to sound French.

actually that would be...

Excuuuuuuuuuuuuuuusééééé Moiiiiiiiiiiiiiii :wink:

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Post by JackC » Sun Apr 29, 2007 6:20 pm

Chalkperson wrote:
living_stradivarius wrote:
JackC wrote:Excuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuseeeeee Meeeeeeeeeeeeeeee! :wink:
Be careful, you're starting to sound French.

actually that would be...

Excuuuuuuuuuuuuuuusééééé Moiiiiiiiiiiiiiii :wink:

Don't you remember Steve Martin on Saturday Night Live?? ;-)

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Post by Chalkperson » Sun Apr 29, 2007 6:32 pm

JackC wrote:Don't you remember Steve Martin on Saturday Night Live?? ;-)
Actually no, I've only lived in NYC for 20 years, and I don't watch TV...gave it up when the First Gulf War started, Hey, It's The War!! Live at Five!!...said I'd turn it back on when it was over!!!

In fact I must be in a serious minority if I tell you that I have genuinely, never, ever, seen a reality TV show...now that is a good break don't you think... :D

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Post by piston » Sun Apr 29, 2007 7:28 pm

CMGF is almost entirely a site for US and, to a much lesser extent, for UK traffic.
Anyone aware of this search engine on traffic? Quite interesting, actually. It appears that things are looking up for Lance and Corlyss :D

http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traff ... p&x=63&y=8

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Post by jbuck919 » Sun Apr 29, 2007 8:51 pm

JackC wrote:Oh geeeeee -- I'm sorry for making an uncivil attack on France. lol I'm sure that no one from France would ever, ever say such negative things about US foreign policy. :roll:

If Voltaire were still around, he would have found a somewhat more subtle way than your brute force method, Jack.

Correspondent of Voltaire: "Entre le sublime et le ridicule, il n'y a qu'un seul pas."

Voltaire in response: "Vous avez raison, monsieur. C'est le Pas de Calais."

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Post by Corlyss_D » Mon Apr 30, 2007 12:23 am

piston wrote:CMGF is almost entirely a site for US and, to a much lesser extent, for UK traffic.
Anyone aware of this search engine on traffic? Quite interesting, actually. It appears that things are looking up for Lance and Corlyss :D

http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traff ... p&x=63&y=8
Interesting. Given the problems in Macedonia, I'm glad to see our viewership is on the rise . . .
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Post by some guy » Sun May 06, 2007 2:12 pm

I can't help wondering if anyone on this forum has ever been to France and met some real French people.

Not that it would make any difference. If you're sure that the French are useless, and that Europeans hate Americans, I guess you'll stay sure no matter what contrary evidence may raise its inconvenient head.

Europeans might be very surprised to find that they hate us. (They don't particularly care for our current government, but many of them don't particularly care for their own current government. French people complain about France's government, Czechs about Czech government, and so on. What you don't find, unless you insist on finding it where it isn't, is Czechs, or Germans, or French, or English, or whatever, complaining about Americans.

Everyone I've ever talked to will admit that there are tourists who are aggravating. But everyone reports that every American they've met has been very nice. And I can report that every German or French or English or Czech or Romanian or Russian or Chinese or Japanese or Canadian or Argentinian or Irish or Chilean or Portugese or Spanish or Luxembourgian or Italian or Greek or Turkish or ... well you get the idea. They've all been nice people, every one.

Americans? Well, not so much. But then, you see, I live here, so I meet many more Americans every day. Odds are, if I were to live in Europe, I'd meet disagreeable Europeans. Odd thing is, the disagreeable remarks about the French are almost always made by people who've never met any French people, in France. (I say it that way, because the only snarky French I've ever met were those who'd moved over here.)

So sure, go ahead and slam entire countries, but I must say you do look silly doing it. (In Europe, "french fries" have never ever been called anything but "fries," so the point of our renaming is rather lost on them. Now if the Brits were to call syphilis "freedom disease," now THAT would be fun!)
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Post by Chalkperson » Sun May 06, 2007 2:35 pm

some guy wrote:So sure, go ahead and slam entire countries, but I must say you do look silly doing it.
Way to go, some guy... :wink:

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Post by Donald Isler » Sun May 06, 2007 4:33 pm

This generally dumb thread is mostly about non-veterans complaining that the French are not as brave as they are.
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Post by piston » Sun May 06, 2007 7:39 pm

What might a generic French man or woman think about this blanket characterization of a whole population? Quid pro quo! Euh, the USA waited well over two years, only after being slammed at Pearl Harbor, before joining its military allies during World War II because majority democracy had dictated non-intervention to FDR. Australians and Canadians were there almost from the start. Personally, I have had negative experiences with some Parisians whom I felt were no less rude than some New York City dwellers -- two big metropolitan centers with plenty of verbal aggression and an astounding superiority complex. France, like the USA, is partly driven by generational and demographic realities.

An interesting little anecdote is worth sharing here. Some time ago, a grocery butcher came to me with an unusual request. Having heard that I spoke French, he asked if I would be willing to give a verbal translation of a letter when I returned from my grocery shopping the following week. Sure enough, it was a Christmas letter from a French elderly woman which she wrote every year for this man's father, a WWII veteran. Very touching words which illustrated to me that she had not forgotten a single day of her family's liberation.
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Post by JackC » Sun May 06, 2007 7:40 pm

Donald Isler wrote:This generally dumb thread is mostly about non-veterans complaining that the French are not as brave as they are.
Oh really, is that what is is mostly about?? lol If you want to take a shot, take a direct shot, you weasel. :roll:

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Post by JackC » Sun May 06, 2007 7:43 pm

piston wrote:Euh, the USA waited well over two years, only after being slammed at Pearl Harbor, before joining its military allies during World War II because majority democracy had dictated non-intervention to FDR. Australians and Canadians were there almost from the start.
Yep, it was to the British Commonwealth's great credit that they stood alone so long, after the French folded in a couple of weeks, after which a very great number them became collaborators. :shock:

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Post by piston » Sun May 06, 2007 8:12 pm

They were indeed rapidly defeated, just like Poland, Belgium, and countless other countries in Europe, Africa, Asia. But why target a single national character when:
1. there was a significant French resistance and it proved most valuable to the Allies;
2. the Germans, like the Japanese, knew how to occupy territory in such a way that only a massive counterattack would succeed (what was it in Normandy. A sixty-mile front?;
3. as much as collaborators are despicable, it's a double-edged sword and one should bear in mind that, while they were not occupied by the Germans, some Americans were also collaborating psychologically.
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Post by jbuck919 » Sun May 06, 2007 8:24 pm

In the book and movie "The Accidental Tourist," the hero's back goes out as he is about to leave a Paris hotel on his way home. We are all set up to expect a ribald round of the stereotpyical Parisian rudeness and insouciance, especially since a "back going out" sounds like the American version of the equally semi-imaginary "crise de foie," but instead the hero is treated in the most kind and solicitious manner. I have always assumed that Anne Tyler was referring to some sort of personal experience and trying to expunge a slur on the French character.

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Post by RebLem » Sun May 06, 2007 9:09 pm

I am afraid I have to tell you folks that the US State Department is unaware of the psuedo-fact that France is a gutless nation which is not pulling its weight. Allow me to post here an extended excerpt from the State Department's country report on France, available for all to see at http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ei/bgn/3842.htm

France is a leader in Western Europe because of its size, location, and large economy, membership in European organizations, strong military posture, and energetic diplomacy. France generally has worked to strengthen the global economic and political influence of the EU and its role in common European defense. It views Franco-German cooperation and the development of a European Security and Defense Policy (ESDP) with other EU members, as the foundation of efforts to enhance European security.

France supports Quartet (U.S.-EU-Russia-UN) efforts to implement the Middle East roadmap, which envisions establishment of a Palestinian state, living side-by-side in peace and security with Israel. Recognizing the need for a comprehensive peace agreement, France supports the involvement of all Arab parties and Israel in a multilateral peace process.

Since 2003, France has supported four UN Security Council (UNSC) resolutions on Iraq, including UNSCR 1546, which laid out a timetable for Iraq’s political transition and reaffirmed UNSC authorization for a Multinational Force in Iraq, at the invitation of the Iraqi government, to stabilize the country. France contributed to the 230 million euro EU contribution to Iraq reconstruction in 2003. After the Iraqi Interim Government took power, France agreed to substantial debt relief and offered police training to Iraqi security forces. In 2006, France and the U.S. collaborated closely to create a consensus in the UN to adopt UNSCR 1696 demanding action from Iran to end its enrichment-related and preprocessing activities.

France has played a significant role in Africa, especially in its former colonies, through extensive aid programs, commercial activities, military agreements, and cultural impact. In those former colonies where the French presence remains important, France has contributed to political, military, and social stability. France maintains permanent military bases in Chad, Cote d’Ivoire, Djibouti, Gabon, and Senegal. France deployed additional military forces to Cote d’Ivoire in 2002 and to Central African Republic in 2003 to address crises in both countries and, with EU partners, led an international military operation to the Democratic Republic of the Congo in 2003. In 2004, it deployed military forces to provide humanitarian relief supplies to refugees from Darfur in Chad and to monitor the Chad-Sudan border. French forces have continued to serve with international operations in Burundi, Ethiopia/Eritrea, and Liberia. France has also deployed forces to Togo (in support of operations in Cote d’Ivoire), Cameroon, and the Central African Republic. An attack on French forces in Cote d’Ivoire in 2004 by government soldiers led to the departure of thousands of French nationals from that country, with some stating an intention to return to Cote d’Ivoire and others indicating that their departure was permanent.

France has extensive political and commercial relations with Asian countries, including China, Japan, and Southeast Asia as well as an increasing presence in regional fora. France is seeking to broaden its commercial presence in China and will pose a competitive challenge to U.S. business, particularly in aerospace, high-tech, and luxury markets. In Southeast Asia, France was an architect of the 1991 Paris Accords, which ended the conflict in Cambodia.


What too many Americans fail to understand is that France is an independent country with its own interests and its own priorities. Things in Africa would be a lot worse without them. They prefer to concentrate their efforts there rather than just volunteering to help the US in whatever our current president says is his priority. But you should try to understand that that is what free and independent peoples do, everywhere. Yes, yes, I realize that most Americans think we should just let Africa go to hell. Who gives a crap about black people, anyway? Well, the French do. Them's the breaks.

Maybe some of you here should write letters to Condi and tell her she is all wrong about the French, and they should just all forget about black Africans and concentrate on the Middle East, where the action (i.e., our priority) is. I would be interested in someone publishing the response here.
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Post by JackC » Sun May 06, 2007 9:20 pm

RebLem wrote: What too many Americans fail to understand is that France is an Yes, yes, I realize that most Americans think we should just let Africa go to hell. Who gives a crap about black people, anyway? Well, the French do. Them's the breaks, Jack!
Oh yeah, France, unlike others, is deeply, very deeply concerned about black people? lol Sure they are. :roll:

(That's why there are so many blacks in the French government, right?)
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Post by JackC » Sun May 06, 2007 9:25 pm

piston wrote:3. as much as collaborators are despicable, it's a double-edged sword and one should bear in mind that, while they were not occupied by the Germans, some Americans were also collaborating psychologically.
"collaborating psychologically" ??? Oh really ?? I'm sure that after the US entered the war, there were just huge numbers of Americans "collaborating psychologically" with Hitler and the Nazis! NOT :roll:

Of course, there were very many brave French in the resistence. Of course, there numbers swelled dramatically -- AFTER the war!!
lol

Brendan

Post by Brendan » Sun May 06, 2007 11:10 pm

The French involvementin Africa is an utter disgrace. The following is from a couple of years back, but it remains much the same.

France is keeping up its old policy of ”only exploiting the natural and geopolitical resources of the continent,” says Francois Xavier Verschave, author of several books on the French government's African policy, including Noir Silence and La Francafrique. ”In Paris, many continue to believe that Africa is their private garden, where they can do whatever they want, where all crimes are possible and where impunity reigns.”

. . .

France is bound to give military support to the Côte d'Ivoire government under a treaty of defence cooperation signed in 1961, a year after the Côte d'Ivoire gained independence. Under this and another treaty signed in 1978 whose contents remain secret, France is bound to assist the Côte d'Ivoire militarily ”to keep the order”.

Similar agreements bind France to other regimes in Africa. These have led to ill-fated interventions, as in Rwanda and the Central African Republic in the 1990s.

From http://ipsnews.net/africa/Focus/conflic ... te_6.shtml

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