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More on the new seven wonders

Post by jbuck919 » Sun Jul 22, 2007 9:44 am

The seven new (in the sense of not on the old list) man-made wonders are now final. There is now a contest for the seven natural wonders.

Personally, I think the Brazilians stuffed the ballot box for Christ the Redeemer. Or else it just photographs better than the Panama Canal.

http://www.new7wonders.com/

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Post by RebLem » Sun Jul 22, 2007 10:45 am

I just nominated, in order:

1. The Grand Canyon, USA
2. The Great Barrier Reef, Australia
3. The Marianas Trench, Guam
4. Sagramatha Park, Nepal
5. Galapagos Islands, Ecuador
6. Iguacu Falls, Argentina
7. Redwood Forest, USA
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Post by jbuck919 » Sun Jul 22, 2007 1:44 pm

Since the Grand Canyon and the Great Barrier Reef are sure winners, and since they asked for a variety of nominations, I submitted the following (no particular order intended, except for Yellowstone):

Yellowstone Park/caldera
The Everglades
Saguaro National Park
Victoria Falls
La Brea Tar Pits (!)
Rain forest of Costa Rica
Patagonian Andes

All right, it's slightly nationalistic; so what? :)

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Post by Gary » Sun Jul 22, 2007 7:36 pm

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Post by piston » Sun Jul 22, 2007 7:41 pm

In passing. The creator of Rio's Christ the Redeemer, Paul Landowski, was the father of French composer Marcel Landowski.
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Post by RebLem » Sun Jul 22, 2007 8:21 pm

jbuck919 wrote:Since the Grand Canyon and the Great Barrier Reef are sure winners, and since they asked for a variety of nominations, I submitted the following (no particular order intended, except for Yellowstone):

Yellowstone Park/caldera
The Everglades
Saguaro National Park
Victoria Falls
La Brea Tar Pits (!)
Rain forest of Costa Rica
Patagonian Andes

All right, it's slightly nationalistic; so what? :)
The Everglades? It is just another swamp, which are lots of places. Yellowstone? And what makes it so great that can't also be said of Iceland? Patagonian Andes? Why not Wyoming? The Costa Rican rain forest? Why not Amazonia? Victoria Falls? I believe Iguaco Falls are higher. La Brea Tar Pits? Isn't that a fairly common thing now? If we're going to nominate it, why not nominate the Cuyahoga River, in wonderment that it still even exists despite all the atrocities that Corlyss's best buds have committed against it?
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Post by jbuck919 » Sun Jul 22, 2007 8:34 pm

RebLem wrote:
jbuck919 wrote:Since the Grand Canyon and the Great Barrier Reef are sure winners, and since they asked for a variety of nominations, I submitted the following (no particular order intended, except for Yellowstone):

Yellowstone Park/caldera
The Everglades
Saguaro National Park
Victoria Falls
La Brea Tar Pits (!)
Rain forest of Costa Rica
Patagonian Andes

All right, it's slightly nationalistic; so what? :)
The Everglades? Itgs just another swamp, which are lots of places. Yellowstone? And what makes it so great that can't also be said of Iceland? Patagonian Andes? Why not Wyoming? The Costa rican rain forest? Why not Amazonia? Victoria Falls? I believe Iguaco Falls are higher. La Brea Tar Pits? Isn't that a fairly common thing now? If we're going to nominate it, why not nominate the Cuyahoga River, in wonderment that it still even exists despite all the atrocities that Corlyss's best buds have committed against it?
Rob, Rob!? I didn't question your choices. I could have duplicated your nominations without any problem at all, but what would be the point? This is only fun if we're not judgmental. I know that there are many other possibilities, some probably superior; in some ways this is much harder than man-made wonders. In some ways you could make a case that all seven are in the United States (just go down the list of national parks and realize why they are that, and Redwood Forest is certainly as idiosyncratic a choice as anything I put on my list).

Thomas Jefferson wrote that the confluence of the Shenandoah and Potomac Rivers at Harper's Ferry (which I have actually seen) was worth a trip across the Atlantic. I hope that was before the Lewis and Clark Expedition.

Another thought I had was mountains. But how do you choose which mountain? Lord, we don't need another mountain. There are mountains and hillsides enough to climb.

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Post by Haydnseek » Sun Jul 22, 2007 9:16 pm

Grand Canyon
Iguaçú Falls
Victoria Falls
Li River near Guilin, China
Crater Lake
Monument Valley
Scarlett Johansson
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Post by jbuck919 » Sun Jul 22, 2007 9:31 pm

Haydnseek wrote:Grand Canyon
Iguaçú Falls
Victoria Falls
Li River near Guilin, China
Crater Lake
Monument Valley
Scarlett Johansson
And here I was worried about mountains.

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Post by Kevin R » Mon Jul 23, 2007 12:01 am

Brooklyn Decker!!!!!!
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Post by BWV 1080 » Mon Jul 23, 2007 12:20 am

RebLem wrote: Yellowstone? And what makes it so great that can't also be said of Iceland?
Iceland is to Yellowstone what a Black Cat is to an H-Bomb. There truly is nothing quite like it in the world. Other comparable calderas - Toba, Tapau, Long Valley are much less active.

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Post by RebLem » Mon Jul 23, 2007 12:32 am

jbuck919 wrote:
RebLem wrote:
jbuck919 wrote:Since the Grand Canyon and the Great Barrier Reef are sure winners, and since they asked for a variety of nominations, I submitted the following (no particular order intended, except for Yellowstone):

Yellowstone Park/caldera
The Everglades
Saguaro National Park
Victoria Falls
La Brea Tar Pits (!)
Rain forest of Costa Rica
Patagonian Andes

All right, it's slightly nationalistic; so what? :)
The Everglades? It is just another swamp, which are lots of places. Yellowstone? And what makes it so great that can't also be said of Iceland? Patagonian Andes? Why not Wyoming? The Costa Rican rain forest? Why not Amazonia? Victoria Falls? I believe Iguaco Falls are higher. La Brea Tar Pits? Isn't that a fairly common thing now? If we're going to nominate it, why not nominate the Cuyahoga River, in wonderment that it still even exists despite all the atrocities that Corlyss's best buds have committed against it?
Rob, Rob!? I didn't question your choices. I could have duplicated your nominations without any problem at all, but what would be the point? This is only fun if we're not judgmental. I know that there are many other possibilities, some probably superior; in some ways this is much harder than man-made wonders. In some ways you could make a case that all seven are in the United States (just go down the list of national parks and realize why they are that, and Redwood Forest is certainly as idiosyncratic a choice as anything I put on my list).

Thomas Jefferson wrote that the confluence of the Shenandoah and Potomac Rivers at Harper's Ferry (which I have actually seen) was worth a trip across the Atlantic. I hope that was before the Lewis and Clark Expedition.

Another thought I had was mountains. But how do you choose which mountain? Lord, we don't need another mountain. There are mountains and hillsides enough to climb.
I assumed you didn't question my choices because they were so obviously right, but you felt the perverse need to post something else just to be diffunt. :wink: I had the same thought to some extent about the Redwood Forest, which is why it was 7th instead of higher on the list, but they and the sequioas are the largest and oldest trees in the world, and by a wide margin. OK, I suppose I should, to be politically correct, have at least one entry from Africa, though I ask you to also note that I have no entry from Europe, either. So, if it will please you, I will replace the Redwood Forest with the lemurs of the Malagasy Republic, the only place where lemurs, the most primitive primates, still live in the wild.

One restriction which the rules emphasize is that wonders have to be associated with a particular place; otherwise, I would have listed the life forms, which have only been discovered, I believe, in the last quarter century, which survive through chemosynthesis near active volcanic vents at the bottom of the Pacific.

And why not the Cuyahoga River? :roll:
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Post by jbuck919 » Mon Jul 23, 2007 4:54 am

I would like to make it clear that I did not intend for there to be no repeat suggestions here. If you go to the site, they ask for a variety at the nomination stage, and as I already pointed out, the Grand Canyon and the Great Barrier Reef are sure wins, which doesn't mean they don't deserve to be.

I also thought about Madagascar, and also the Plain of Jars in Laos, which apparently on top of its odd uniqueness as an archaeological site is a place of extraordinary natural beauty. But I imagine the latter would be excluded as too ambivalent about natural/man-made.

The Yangtze River with its gorgeous gorges might make an appropriate entry.

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Post by slofstra » Mon Jul 23, 2007 4:57 pm

Niagara Falls. As Oscar Wilde put it, the bride's second biggest disappointment on the honeymoon.

Seriously, I have travelled coast to coast in Canada, and this is my personal favourite:
http://www.dskendall.com/images/200509.jpg

The CBC just ran a similar contest for Canada:

Here are the results:

http://www.cbc.ca/sevenwonders/results.html
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Post by jbuck919 » Mon Jul 23, 2007 9:31 pm

slofstra wrote:Niagara Falls. As Oscar Wilde put it, the bride's second biggest disappointment of the honeymoon.

Seriously, I have travelled coast to coast in Canada, and this is my personal favourite:
http://www.dskendall.com/images/200509.jpg

The CBC just ran a similar contest for Canada:

Here are the results:

http://www.cbc.ca/sevenwonders/results.html
I notice that one of the suggestions on the site I linked to was a glacier, a rather tenuous proposition as a natural wonder these days, even given the fact that everything is ultimately temporary. (Did you know for instance that all fresh-water lakes are temporary phenomena? They all eventually get silted up, and yes, that includes the Great Lakes.)

It does rather raise the interesting question of how the seven wonders would be addressed even perhaps a thousand years from now, when presumably we are not yet extinct. Will they all be in permafrost Canada, Siberia, Greenland, and Antarctica? Only time will tell. :)

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Post by slofstra » Mon Jul 23, 2007 10:10 pm

For the world list, I would have to nominate the Thuner See, Brienzer See, Eiger, Monch, Jungfrau area of Switzerland, aka Bernese Oberland. No doubt that would have been Brahms' choice.

Any other apparent musician's choices?

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Post by jbuck919 » Mon Jul 23, 2007 10:40 pm

slofstra wrote:For the world list, I would have to nominate the Thuner See, Brienzer See, Eiger, Monch, Jungfrau area of Switzerland, aka Bernese Oberland. No doubt that would have been Brahms' choice.

Any other apparent musician's choices?
Someone else brought up by implication the dearth of choices in Europe. The high Alps are perhaps the only choice in the entire continent, but then they once again raise the question of how you choose one mountain range over another. I mentioned the Patagonian Andes because they are more than just the mountains; Patagonia is a pretty remarkable place.

In 1976, the year I graduated from college, my home town had a bicentennial, well, big picnic is all it could be called. A visiting group from France decided they wanted to attend just such an American celebration. I got roped into going along with them because of my alleged French skills (even though they had a bilingual guide). Unfortunately, the committee that was hosting all this made the following mistake: "We can't bring them here and not show them West Point." I already knew that for French people this was a huge mistake, and a typically American one. If they had wanted to see West Point, that's what they would have asked for. So we took the winding, scenic road around the mountain to the Point, and all the way they made sarcastic "oohs" and "ahs." They didn't think we poor provincials would catch on to the fact that they were being rude, you see, or didn't care.

My point? The road from Cornwall to West Point is indeed very scenic, but any person living in France has seen many times over the equivalent without having been near the Alps, and scenery alone does not make a wonder of the world.

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