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Post by Madame » Mon Sep 08, 2008 3:20 pm

http://abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=5725973

Whoopi is really aggravated that the GOP makes such a big deal of John McCain's experience as POW just because it happened in Vietnam -- Biden and Obama have had their own adversities, but they don't talk about them over and over ... her comments are toward the end of the clip.

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Post by Barry » Mon Sep 08, 2008 3:40 pm

McCain's acceptance speech went into more depth about the significance of his P.O.W. experience in terms of changing him for the better as a person and how it helped prepare him for his current mission.

There are undoubtedly tens of millions of Americans who didn't only think it was appropriate for him to talk about the experience, but were as moved as I was. And those many millions are just as bemused that others can't see how important that experience was and how different from any adversity Biden and Obama have faced as Whoopi (and others) are bemused that McCain and the GOP keep talking about it. I've spoken before about the fact that while liberals deny they are lacking in patriotism, the word doesn't mean the same to them that it does to many non-liberals.

And on the frequency that it comes up in McCain's campaign, he had avoided talking about it at length or bringing it up to score political points for virtually his entire career. He also has long hated kissing up to the right wing of the GOP. But he clearly made a decision this time around that he lost by trying to do things his way last time he ran for the presidency and he's going to listen to his advisors this time around. I'm sure they have told him to play up his personal story as much as possible. That his personal story is probably the most remarkable of any modern candidate for president not only shouldn't be held against him, but it's a big part of what makes him such an appealing candidate to many of us.

I see this all the time. There have been numerous columns by commentators on how Obama is so clearly the better candidate and that he can only lose by way of white racism. It's absolutely incredible to many of us who don't see it that way that so many people can't see that McCain is an extremely appealing candidate. One of our regular posters once went so far as to say he can't understand how any thinking person could vote for McCain over Obama. That liberals view McCain's obvious character and record of standing up to his own party as something to be dismissed along side Obama's "qualifications" merely shows how out of touch Whoopi and so many others are.
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Post by greymouse » Mon Sep 08, 2008 3:56 pm

Personally, I think McCain kind of overdoes it a little at times. But still, it is a plus to be considered when comparing the two candidates.

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Post by Corlyss_D » Mon Sep 08, 2008 3:56 pm

What frosts Whoopi is her ticket has no gravitas, which is what McCain has in spades with his personal story, and when stood up by her ticket, if, and that's a big if, experience and steadfastness means anything to a voter, her ticket comes up short.
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Post by Chalkperson » Mon Sep 08, 2008 5:24 pm

As a resident of Ground Zero I must say that I was very unhappy at the GOP's decision to run the 9/11 footage, I did not see it till today...I knew Guiliani would push 9/11 big time but there is a longstanding co-operative agreement that the Networks would never run the building collapsing again...sure it was only a few seconds of their Convention but they don't live where I do, one of my clients uses the Staten Island Ferry every day, after 9/11 it was half full, that's how many of her fellow travellers worked there, my favourite local restaurant is Nobu, they lost a great many customers, however, I am very happy that both candidates are coming here on Thursday for the seventh anniversary...I will do something that I have never done since 9/11 which is to walk the three blocks and look into the hole, if McCain and Obama can do it then so can I...

It will be interesting to see how many people turn out to see the two Nominees arrive, they have to drive straight past the front door of my building, the last time Bush was there nobody came to watch him, there were cops and barricades everywhere but no people...
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Post by Madame » Mon Sep 08, 2008 6:40 pm

Chalkperson wrote:As a resident of Ground Zero I must say that I was very unhappy at the GOP's decision to run the 9/11 footage, I did not see it till today...I knew Guiliani would push 9/11 big time but there is a longstanding co-operative agreement that the Networks would never run the building collapsing again...sure it was only a few seconds of their Convention but they don't live where I do, one of my clients uses the Staten Island Ferry every day, after 9/11 it was half full, that's how many of her fellow travellers worked there, my favourite local restaurant is Nobu, they lost a great many customers, however, I am very happy that both candidates are coming here on Thursday for the seventh anniversary...I will do something that I have never done since 9/11 which is to walk the three blocks and look into the hole, if McCain and Obama can do it then so can I...

It will be interesting to see how many people turn out to see the two Nominees arrive, they have to drive straight past the front door of my building, the last time Bush was there nobody came to watch him, there were cops and barricades everywhere but no people...
Did you mean to post this in another thread? On the topic, however, Keith Olbermann went over the line with his nasty comment, he's outa there. Is McCain bound by network agreements? Would people object had Obama's team used the film? Just wondering.

I hope security level is uber-high that day.

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Post by Corlyss_D » Mon Sep 08, 2008 9:17 pm

Chalkperson wrote: but there is a longstanding co-operative agreement that the Networks would never run the building collapsing again
Yep. The Kumbaya crowd wouldn't want to make Americans mad as hell reminding them who did what to whom. It might translate to support for Bush and they certainly can't have any of that!
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Post by Chalkperson » Mon Sep 08, 2008 10:51 pm

Corlyss_D wrote:
Chalkperson wrote: but there is a longstanding co-operative agreement that the Networks would never run the building collapsing again
Yep. The Kumbaya crowd wouldn't want to make Americans mad as hell reminding them who did what to whom. It might translate to support for Bush and they certainly can't have any of that!

Corlyss, read it slowly and carefully, the bit I objected to was about three seconds of the collapse, not the burning building, just the collapse...the event itself is fair game, but not the collapse, after it was shown on the first anniversary it was deeemed too sensitive for the relatives of the people who died, the collapse is when they all died...
Madame wrote:Did you mean to post this in another thread?

Probably, I was pi**ed off...
On the topic, however, Keith Olbermann went over the line with his nasty comment, he's outa there.
Both he and Matthews forgot it is not their own personal Network...
Is McCain bound by network agreements? Would people object had Obama's team used the film? Just wondering.
Any of the Networks would have told them not to use the tiny bit I objected to...would the Dims use it, no idea...
I hope security level is uber-high that day.
I'll tell you when I go out the building, but i'm opposite City Hall...we always have a lot of Police around here, we have what they call Hercules Cops, they make Swat Teams look docile, these guys carry HUGE weapons...
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Post by Corlyss_D » Mon Sep 08, 2008 11:45 pm

Chalkperson wrote:
Corlyss_D wrote:
Chalkperson wrote: but there is a longstanding co-operative agreement that the Networks would never run the building collapsing again
Yep. The Kumbaya crowd wouldn't want to make Americans mad as hell reminding them who did what to whom. It might translate to support for Bush and they certainly can't have any of that!

Corlyss, read it slowly and carefully, the bit I objected to was about three seconds of the collapse, not the burning building, just the collapse...the event itself is fair game, but not the collapse, after it was shown on the first anniversary it was deeemed too sensitive for the relatives of the people who died, the collapse is when they all died...
Of course the collapse is the part the MSM agreed never to show again. That's the part that makes people mad as hell, that's what underscores how helpless anyone was to do anything about it, how impotent the government sworn to protect us was, how appalling it was to know that our friends and neighbors and loved ones were trapped in that hopeless inferno. When Falling Man was aired, there was an outcry about the gross insensitivity of the producer and the network that showed it. More brushing it under the rug by people who think violence and war don't settle anything.
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Post by Chalkperson » Tue Sep 09, 2008 1:57 am

Corlyss_D wrote:Of course the collapse is the part the MSM agreed never to show again. That's the part that makes people mad as hell, that's what underscores how helpless anyone was to do anything about it, how impotent the government sworn to protect us was, how appalling it was to know that our friends and neighbors and loved ones were trapped in that hopeless inferno.
I certainly can't disagree with any of that, however it could be seen that as the Video was not an Ad then the Networks did not pre-screen it, and because it was live television the Networks did not know it was coming, so the GOP sneak it in and use it for Partisan Purposes, I don't watch TV so I have no idea if it was aired again, I watched it again and it probably lasted less than a second...

Keith Olberman (sp) was well over the top, I used to like him a long time ago, before the War...

I tried to post a truly stunning 9/11 image of a defiant Statue of Liberty that was taken from a Police Helicopter, it's a very Patriotic Image, but I kept getting an error message saying the Board was full up with Attachments...can you look into that, it may not happen if you are on a PC but I sure does not want to be imported from a Mac...
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Re: Whoopi really aggravated ...

Post by RebLem » Tue Sep 09, 2008 5:27 am

Corlyss_D wrote:
Chalkperson wrote: but there is a longstanding co-operative agreement that the Networks would never run the building collapsing again
Yep. The Kumbaya crowd wouldn't want to make Americans mad as hell reminding them who did what to whom. It might translate to support for Bush and they certainly can't have any of that!
Yeah, it might remind people that none of the people who flew the planes into buildings that day were Iraqis. That's why I'm surprised they ran the footage.

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