How Many of You Are Getting Snow ???

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Re: How Many of You Are Getting Snow ???

Post by Febnyc » Tue Nov 08, 2011 5:26 pm

lennygoran wrote:>As I mentioned, the difference from 10K or 14K to the 20K was not an issue in the broader scheme of the project.<

Frank for us it was only a $900 difference--something we can live with to get more goodies!
Indeed - that was the exact cost difference between and 14K and a 20K unit.

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Re: How Many of You Are Getting Snow ???

Post by lennygoran » Wed Nov 09, 2011 6:29 am

>Indeed - that was the exact cost difference between and 14K and a 20K unit.<

Frank while the $900 isn't a major concern I am sad that it seems to me that one of the spots where there's room for the generator and the propane tank is an area we rather like--our only camelia, 3 lovely azaleas and a lovely row of hostas--I have a feeling we're gonna have to try and remove and replant them or lose them. Regards, Len :(

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Re: How Many of You Are Getting Snow ???

Post by Febnyc » Wed Nov 09, 2011 8:18 am

Yes, understood. We had to remove a full, large juniper to make room. The generator is installed on a concrete slab, and must be (by NY State code, at least) at minimum 3 feet from the house. The propane tank has to be 10 feet from the generator - so a bit of open space is required.

We had stone laid down over the entire cleared area (about 20' x 20') and now are putting a lattice fence around the whole affair. The juniper was nicer. :?

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Re: How Many of You Are Getting Snow ???

Post by John F » Wed Nov 09, 2011 11:26 pm

November 9, 2011
Power Envy
By PENELOPE GREEN

When the snowstorm hit a week ago Saturday, Evan Sidel was driving home from the supermarket, having stocked up on soup ingredients, thinking she and her two daughters would have a cozy evening in. But while she was unpacking the groceries, the power went out with an audible bang, said Ms. Sidel, who lives in a 100-year-old farmhouse in Wilton, Conn.

“You could literally hear the transformer exploding,” she said.

Then things went south fast, escalating perilously like the plot of an action movie, or “Spider-Man: Turn Off the Dark” in previews. As Ms. Sidel pulled an old land-line telephone out of the closet, one birch tree crashed into the side of her house and another into her front door.

“I called a friend who said, ‘My generator has just kicked in, come on over.’ I got out through the garage, drove over the lawn to the street, and I stayed at my friend’s house until Wednesday,” she recounted. “My girls generator-hopped all over town all week, thrilled to have a different sleepover every night. But another friend of mine has four kids, and she was not so lucky. You can’t generator-hop with a family that size. I have nothing but gratitude for all my generator hosts.”

In another part of town, Christopher Peacock, the high-end kitchen man, was charging a few lights and the refrigerator, along with his family’s computers and cellphones, on a small gasoline-powered manual generator he set out in his driveway, snaking a web of extension cords from the living room.

But Mr. Peacock has well water, and with not enough power for the pump, his family grew not just colder but grubbier as the week progressed. On Wednesday, he; his wife, Jayne; and their 11-year-old son fled to Cape Cod, where they have a summer house.

“School is canceled, so why not?” he said. “It’s like a war zone here. The thing is, I am waiting for, and am in line for, a permanent generator installation. I’ve got one essentially on order, but they’re all back-ordered since Irene. I am definitely feeling some generator envy.”..

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/10/garde ... ymbol.html
John Francis

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Re: How Many of You Are Getting Snow ???

Post by lennygoran » Thu Nov 10, 2011 4:07 am

>btw we have 2100 square feet<

Hey Len--get with it--we have 2600 squzre feet! Regards, Sue Goran :shock:

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Re: How Many of You Are Getting Snow ???

Post by lennygoran » Thu Nov 10, 2011 4:13 am

>The generator is installed on a concrete slab, and must be (by NY State code, at least) at minimum 3 feet from the house. The propane tank has to be 10 feet from the generator - so a bit of open space is required. We had stone laid down over the entire cleared area (about 20' x 20') and now are putting a lattice fence around the whole affair. <

Frank this is very useful information I was not aware of--not good for the look of my garden but we'll have to devise a plan--maybe a new bed in front of the picket fence :?: How big a propane tank did you need? Regards, Len

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Re: How Many of You Are Getting Snow ???

Post by lennygoran » Thu Nov 10, 2011 4:17 am

>I called a friend who said, ‘My generator has just kicked in, come on over.<

Wow, could we have used something like this! Regards, Len :mrgreen:

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Re: How Many of You Are Getting Snow ???

Post by Febnyc » Thu Nov 10, 2011 8:23 am

lennygoran wrote:Frank this is very useful information I was not aware of--not good for the look of my garden but we'll have to devise a plan--maybe a new bed in front of the picket fence :?: How big a propane tank did you need? Regards, Len
Well, first you would have to check on the New Jersey code. I assume the requirements are the same as NY State, but that is for your electrician to advise.

We installed a 250-gallon tank. The 20K generator, on a normal load, used 30 gallons per day. So, since the tank is filled only to 85% capacity, it manages about a six-seven day supply. The tank looks like a mini-submarine - about six feet long and roughly four feet high (it is mounted on foot pads and has a dome hinged over the fill-top). It is up to you if you want a smaller one - you'd simply have to fill it more often in a long outage.

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Re: How Many of You Are Getting Snow ???

Post by lennygoran » Thu Nov 10, 2011 8:40 am

>We installed a 250-gallon tank<

Frank, thanks--we're due to see the electrician next week--I have been looking on the internet and I figured 250 would be about right. Also found pictures of the submarine like look of it.

http://www.missiongas.com/images/250gal ... netank.jpg

And ways to hide the stuff:

http://www.customoutdoorstructures.com/ ... 20TANK.jpg

http://www.emergencypower.com/support/g ... -generator

Anything you can add about the slab--was yours pawed concrete or could you buy one already made? Regards, Len

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Re: How Many of You Are Getting Snow ???

Post by lennygoran » Thu Nov 10, 2011 8:45 am

>you'd simply have to fill it more often in a long outage.<

Frank on this issue can those loading the tank reach it even if it's not close to the driveway--is there a long hose similar to what's used for loading oil from the driveway to your house? Also I now see that you put down stone--is that better than a concrete slab? Regards, Len

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Re: How Many of You Are Getting Snow ???

Post by Febnyc » Fri Nov 11, 2011 10:58 am

Len:

The slab was poured concrete - and the generator has holes around its base through which bolts can be driven to secure it to the concrete. Our electrician did all of this as part of the job. The stone is in addition to the slab - it covers all the area around the generator and tank which, after we took out the large juniper, was bare ground. The slab was set down on the ground and the stone all around it and over the 20' x 20' square which now all will be inside the fence.

Yes, the propane delivery truck has a long hose, similar to the oil supplier.

As for hiding the generator - we are putting up a lattice fence around it and the propane tank.

Here's a pic of the machine: http://www.amazon.com/Kohler-20RES-Gene ... d_sbs_hi_3

PS - Just this morning the propane tank was topped up. So, we used 164 gallons over six days = about 27 gallons/day. This on a more or less normal load - oil burner, hot water heater (oil-fired), well pump, cook top, sump pumps off and on, a few lamps, etc.

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Re: How Many of You Are Getting Snow ???

Post by lennygoran » Fri Nov 11, 2011 1:51 pm

>As for hiding the generator - we are putting up a lattice fence around it and the propane tank.<

Frank thanks--we'll definitely want a fence--pretty sure the area we'll use but can't wait to see the electrician next week.

>Just this morning the propane tank was topped up.<

May you never need to use it!!! Regards, Len

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Re: How Many of You Are Getting Snow ???

Post by Febnyc » Fri Nov 11, 2011 4:34 pm

lennygoran wrote:
>Just this morning the propane tank was topped up.<

May you never need to use it!!! Regards, Len
A double "amen" to that.

Let us know how you make out with your plans.

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Re: How Many of You Are Getting Snow ???

Post by jbuck919 » Fri Nov 11, 2011 4:43 pm

Well Frank is right about his power requirements, because I only used 16 gallons in 33 hours for Irene. As for the placement, the guys who installed the generator put down a stone bed--it was never an issue as in having options. The propane tanks (the ugly upright kind, 2 x 100 gallons) just sit on the ground. Guess I was lucky I didn't have landscaping to sacrifice.

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Re: How Many of You Are Getting Snow ???

Post by Febnyc » Fri Nov 11, 2011 7:39 pm

jbuck919 wrote:Well Frank is right about his power requirements, because I only used 16 gallons in 33 hours for Irene. As for the placement, the guys who installed the generator put down a stone bed--it was never an issue as in having options. The propane tanks (the ugly upright kind, 2 x 100 gallons) just sit on the ground. Guess I was lucky I didn't have landscaping to sacrifice.
John - we have a power-hungry house, unfortunately. And, I guess, the large generator burns more propane, of course. We also possess two of those ugly upright 100-gallon tanks - for the pool heater- but they are painted green and are hidden in the woods. The new 250-gallon submarine is a glaring white which, I suppose, will blend in with the fence once it is installed. :roll:

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Re: How Many of You Are Getting Snow ???

Post by lennygoran » Sat Nov 12, 2011 6:48 am

>Let us know how you make out with your plans<

Will do--it may be a while--the electricians seem swamped now with people wanting the generators--I just hope I can get one before the dead of winter sets in! Regards, Len

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Re: How Many of You Are Getting Snow ???

Post by lennygoran » Sat Nov 12, 2011 6:50 am

>Guess I was lucky I didn't have landscaping to sacrifice.<

You were! My poor and only camelia and 3 lovely azaleas and 5 wonderful hostas! Regards, Len :(

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Re: How Many of You Are Getting Snow ???

Post by lennygoran » Sat Nov 12, 2011 6:57 am

>pool heater<

A pool heater, a mechanical gate--I think I hate you! :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

Seriously though the ice/snow storm caused another problem and I am loaded with the pheasants in our yard strutting around now--the males are really beautiful though.

Many pheasants still missing from Hackettstown farm

http://www.njherald.com/story/news/Pheasant-farm-clone

I nearly ran over 2 of them yesterday on my way into town!

Regards, Len

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Re: How Many of You Are Getting Snow ???

Post by Febnyc » Sat Nov 12, 2011 7:43 am

lennygoran wrote:You were! My poor and only camelia and 3 lovely azaleas and 5 wonderful hostas! Regards, Len :(
Surely the azaleas and hostas can be replanted, no? I don't know anything about camellias - hope they can be salvaged as well.

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Re: How Many of You Are Getting Snow ???

Post by lennygoran » Sat Nov 12, 2011 7:57 am

>Surely the azaleas and hostas can be replanted, no? I don't know anything about camellias - hope they can be salvaged as well.<

Yes but it's been a busy season of planting and we're about out of steam--the camelia has loads of buds on it and is big--we pushed the hardiness zone with the camelia--it is one of the few camelias that can make it in my garden zone-we've used up a lot of space and we would have to figure out a new place for it and the azaleas. If we're going to save these evergreens we should do it soon because the season for planting evergreens is just about up--deciduous plants could still safely be planted. Regards, Len :(

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Re: How Many of You Are Getting Snow ???

Post by lennygoran » Sat Nov 12, 2011 10:48 am

>Surely the azaleas and hostas can be replanted, no? <

Frank I took some photos of the area I think the electrician will recommend--this first photo shows the area I have to play with:

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I was wondering if there's room for the generator in one open slot and for the propane tank to go in the other slot--two azaleas would seem have to go but maybe I could keep the camelia and the azalea to the right of it? Maybe you or John B have some idea?

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Regards, Len

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Re: How Many of You Are Getting Snow ???

Post by Febnyc » Sat Nov 12, 2011 3:47 pm

Len: It's hard for me to envision the whole space.

As I mentioned, in NY State at least, the generator must be 3 feet from the house (and also, I believe, a certain distance from the a/c compressor) and then the tank another 10 feet away. So, you need quite a bit of area to provide for a safety margin. The generator throws out a pretty strong and hot exhaust from one side, so placement is a factor as well.

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Re: How Many of You Are Getting Snow ???

Post by lennygoran » Sun Nov 13, 2011 9:25 am

>It's hard for me to envision the whole space<

Frank thanks--I'll let you know what the electrician says. Regards, Len

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