Don't forget we have a Troll. Flease do not feed Randall

Chalkperson · Post by **Chalkperson** » Thu Dec 31, 2015 11:37 pm

Speaking as a Member of this Forum.

I have had enough of Randall's bigoted, hate filled posts, anybody else feel like me.?

I'd love him to be out of here, I don't think I can take another year of his posts.

Anybody else feel like I do?

Let's start 2016 by letting Lance know how we feel.

Chalkperson, Member since 2007

John F · Post by **John F** » Fri Jan 01, 2016 12:22 am

Chalkie, we don't do that in Classical Music Guide. Members are rarely expelled and always for specific cause, as you well know; membership is not subject to popularity contests such as you're trying to start. Your message could be cause for your own expulsion, as it violates a primary CMG house rule: "Members agree to refrain from the following behaviors: a. Verbally abusing other posters." If you can, you should delete it; otherwise, you should edit out its content, as soon as possible.

If you have a problem with rwetmore's posts, answer them as I have, or filter them out with CMG's Friends/Foes feature.

(If you think seniority is relevant, I've been a member of CMG longer than you have - by one day.)

rwetmore · Post by **rwetmore** » Fri Jan 01, 2016 1:02 am

Chalkperson wrote:Speaking as a Member of this Forum.

I have had enough of Randall's bigoted, hate filled posts, anybody else feel like me.?

I'd love him to be out of here, I don't think I can take another year of his posts.

Anybody else feel like I do?

Let's start 2016 by letting Lance know how we feel.

Chalkperson, Member since 2007

The truth finally comes out....

rwetmore · Post by **rwetmore** » Fri Jan 01, 2016 1:05 am

John F wrote:Chalkie, we don't do that in Classical Music Guide. Members are rarely expelled and always for specific cause, as you well know; membership is not subject to popularity contests such as you're trying to start. Your message could be cause for your own expulsion, as it violates a primary CMG house rule: "Members agree to refrain from the following behaviors: a. Verbally abusing other posters." If you can, you should delete it; otherwise, you should edit out its content, as soon as possible.

If you have a problem with rwetmore's posts, answer them as I have, or filter them out with CMG's Friends/Foes feature.

Yes.

rwetmore · Post by **rwetmore** » Fri Jan 01, 2016 1:30 am

I should point out that I've been a member here since 2003. The longest of anyone current maybe?

If someone can't take the heat or is so abhorred by the views of another member such as myself, than he or she just shouldn't participate here, let alone moderate. Many past members from both sides have left the board because they couldn't take the heat or didn't want to subject themselves to the opposing views of others.

I don't claim to be Mother Teresa or a model participant here, but I have always remained civil and maintained my composure. And in the face of being overtly insulted quite often I might add.

Chalkperson · Post by **Chalkperson** » Fri Jan 01, 2016 1:36 am

The thread cannot be deleted, not with others commenting.

if everyone removes their comments maybe i'll take it down.

no john, I agree, we don't normally do this, and your seniority is not by a day, i was here one to two years before you arrived, the crash changed the dates.

seniority is not involved, just testing the waters.

its not heat Randall, its your posts, your non stop posts, just like you always do.

Chalkperson · Post by **Chalkperson** » Fri Jan 01, 2016 1:38 am

rwetmore wrote:
Chalkperson wrote:Speaking as a Member of this Forum.

I have had enough of Randall's bigoted, hate filled posts, anybody else feel like me.?

I'd love him to be out of here, I don't think I can take another year of his posts.

Anybody else feel like I do?

Let's start 2016 by letting Lance know how we feel.

Chalkperson, Member since 2007
The truth finally comes out....

my personal view, I'm allowed one.

rwetmore · Post by **rwetmore** » Fri Jan 01, 2016 1:50 am

Chalkperson wrote:
rwetmore wrote:
The truth finally comes out....
my personal view, I'm allowed one.

Yeah, because you're the sole moderator. No one else would be allowed one, and would banned for ever posting such a thing. But whatever.

Chalkperson · Post by **Chalkperson** » Fri Jan 01, 2016 3:00 am

rwetmore wrote:
Chalkperson wrote:
rwetmore wrote:
The truth finally comes out....
my personal view, I'm allowed one.
Yeah, because you're the sole moderator. No one else would be allowed one, and would banned for ever posting such a thing. But whatever.

No, I'm not. Lance is the other one, and any decision is made by him. I advise, we do not always agree.

I read your crap, all of it, as I have done for years.

I was put here by Corlyss, I play by her rule book.

Moderators are allowed personal views, as long is it's clearly stated.

The way it works here, only Lance can remove Threads, or posts.

Perhaps you were unaware, but I think I've told you that privately.

Once there are comments it can't be deleted. Just like your Climate Thread.

It may bend the rules, I don't think it actually breaks any, I have been far ruder in normal replays.

You bent the rules way more, so quit whining.

Remember,

Corlyss always spoke very plainly when dealing with problematic posters.

You had already chosen to Troll this site.

I am highly offended by that last link.

It was, for me, the final straw.

Ricordanza · Post by **Ricordanza** » Fri Jan 01, 2016 9:05 am

I generally agree with John F. Let him stay. Members are free to ignore his posts (which is what I do most of the time) or not. Despite my strong disagreement with just about everything he's posted, I don't see that he's "crossed the line" of our rules.

lennygoran · Post by **lennygoran** » Fri Jan 01, 2016 9:10 am

Ricordanza wrote:I generally agree with John F. Let him stay. Members are free to ignore his posts (which is what I do most of the time) or not. Despite my strong disagreement with just about everything he's posted, I don't see that he's "crossed the line" of our rules.

Henry I think you've summed up my feelings as well. Thanks! Regards, Len

PS-I hope no one feels this is a conspiracy from 3 NJ guys! Regards, Len

Chalkperson · Post by **Chalkperson** » Fri Jan 01, 2016 11:41 am

lennygoran wrote:
Ricordanza wrote:I generally agree with John F. Let him stay. Members are free to ignore his posts (which is what I do most of the time) or not. Despite my strong disagreement with just about everything he's posted, I don't see that he's "crossed the line" of our rules.
Henry I think you've summed up my feelings as well. Thanks! Regards, Len

PS-I hope no one feels this is a conspiracy from 3 NJ guys! Regards, Len

So you guys want this Site to be a mouthpiece for Trump.

Then have it. I quit.

Find yourself someone else to read all the threads every day.

I have zero interest in helping run a site where one sole right wing nutcase creates an impression that's completely false, fills it with right wing hate filled, bigoted propaganda, and gets to stay.

It was me or him, you picked him, as I expected.

Enjoy the election.

But, please don't Vote for Trump.

Love that you feel this is s joking matter, Lemmy, I thought better of you.

karlhenning · Post by **karlhenning** » Fri Jan 01, 2016 2:20 pm

I agree that Randall's behavior is trolling.

jbuck919 · Post by **jbuck919** » Fri Jan 01, 2016 2:45 pm

It took me a bit of back-reading of threads and posts, but I now see that what brought things to a head, in the immediate sense anyway, was Randall's link to the offensive Townhall article. Its phony association of support of science with denial of transgender dignity and its blatant insult of Caitlyn Jenner and other transgendered people are more than enough to discount the credibility of anything else in the article and send it straight into the trash can. I wonder if rwetmore actually read the whole thing, because if this is him showing his true colors, then he's been taken down several notches in my already dodgy opinion of him.

Although I made several posts on the Trump thread, you will notice that Randall did not respond to any of them (thank goodness). Evidently my comments are not the kind of ripostes needed to merit a polemical reply, or perhaps for once he knows when he is operating out of his league. I can't tell other posters just to let him stew in his own juice of ignored posts and threads, but ignoring him (even short of putting him on the "ignore" list, which Chalkie BTW cannot do if he is to help moderate the board) does disarm him. I've known him actually to bump a thread he started with a post that just said "bump" because he was pouting that no one had gratified him with a response. I suppose that's one way to identify a troll. In the days when we had many right-wing crazies, I felt obliged to be part of the argument so that lurkers and potential members wouldn't think that this was a board made up only of lunatics. If one or two holdovers remain, perhaps it is not as important to engage them, for that reason anyway.

Vote Randall up or down? No, I cannot do that. Believe me, people who have been here for some years know when I think a person must go and how I would handle it. I would not miss Randall. I sympathize with Chalkie's need to let off steam. With as many posts as I have under my belt, I'm sure I've done something similar at some time. I've also threatened relatively recently on the public board to request a banning of a member (Simkin) because of his offensive remarks about Obama, but fortunately that blew over.

I am sorry to be noncommittal and thereby probably please no one. I didn't have to step in here at all, but I do have seniority and have been involved in stuff that only Chalkie and Lance know about.

Holden Fourth · Post by **Holden Fourth** » Fri Jan 01, 2016 3:15 pm

Chalkie, by posting this you have put yourself in the same position that you ascribe to Randall. The one difference is that you have now made a personal attack on a forum member. While you and maybe others find some of Randall's posts offensive he hasn't broken any of the rules of this forum.

On forums where a member posts stuff that I don't particularly like, I simply don't read threads that they have started. They are entitled to their opinion, no matter how much it differs from mine. By the same token I don't have to read what they have written and exercise that right by simply ignoring their posts.

rwetmore · Post by **rwetmore** » Fri Jan 01, 2016 3:25 pm

Holden Fourth wrote:Chalkie, by posting this you have put yourself in the same position that you ascribe to Randall. The one difference is that you have now made a personal attack on a forum member. While you and maybe others find some of Randall's posts offensive he hasn't broken any of the rules of this forum.

On forums where a member posts stuff that I don't particularly like, I simply don't read threads that they have started. They are entitled to their opinion, no matter how much it differs from mine. By the same token I don't have to read what they have written and exercise that right by simply ignoring their posts.

Yes. The bottom line is Chalkperson wants to outright censor me and my purported views, because he doesn't like them; because he abhors them actually. I mean this has been obvious to me for a long time. He's now finally admitted it. It's bizarre, but it's clearly what we have here.

rwetmore · Post by **rwetmore** » Fri Jan 01, 2016 3:35 pm

BTW, I should remind everyone here that they are perfectly free to laugh at me, mock my views, think I'm stupid, dismiss me as a sociopath, etc., etc. Many do just that on a regular basis (often in violation of the rules of use), but do you see me complaining or threating to have them censored or removed? No.

Chalkperson · Post by **Chalkperson** » Fri Jan 01, 2016 3:46 pm

rwetmore wrote:BTW, I should remind everyone here that they are perfectly free to laugh at me, mock my views, think I'm stupid, dismiss me as a sociopath, etc., etc. Many do just that on a regular basis (often in violation of the rules of use), but do you see me complaining or threating to have them censored or removed? No.

I see you as a Troll.

That's against the rules here.

I had this little 'outburst' to see what would happen.

I'm fully aware it's possibly against the rules.

Holden is forgetting I have to read all your posts. So I dont count his vote.

John F, Ricotdanza and Lemmy dont think Randall is Trolling.

John B won't cast a vote, lord knows why.

Karl and I think Randall is Trolling.

3/2 against my view.

Let's see if we even have more than five contributors left on this site to comment.

Then it's up to Lance, who is being kept informed by me of the situation. I am sending him the conversation, not attempting to influence him.

Getting rid of both Randall and myself is the best thing for this Board.

It's the Board I care about, not Randall's bigoted, racist, homophobic links.

lennygoran · Post by **lennygoran** » Fri Jan 01, 2016 4:39 pm

Chalkperson wrote:
Then have it. I quit...I have zero interest in helping run a site where one sole right wing nutcase creates an impression that's completely false, fills it with right wing hate filled, bigoted propaganda, and gets to stay. It was me or him, you picked him, as I expected...
Love that you feel this is s joking matter, Lemmy, I thought better of you.

Chalkie you're imho really over reacting-please don't quit. I doubt anyone will get the impression we're filled with right wing bigots. Regards, Len

lennygoran · Post by **lennygoran** » Fri Jan 01, 2016 4:46 pm

jbuck919 wrote:It took me a bit of back-reading of threads and posts, but I now see that what brought things to a head, in the immediate sense anyway, was Randall's link to the offensive Townhall article. Its phony association of support of science with denial of transgender dignity and its blatant insult of Caitlyn Jenner and other transgendered people are more than enough to discount the credibility of anything else in the article and send it straight into the trash can. I wonder if rwetmore actually read the whole thing,

Wow I didn't even know about any of this-I just don't have time to read all the links Rwetmore points to-I hope Rwetmore hasn't made or supported derogatory remarks about transgendered people. Regards, Len

rwetmore · Post by **rwetmore** » Fri Jan 01, 2016 4:55 pm

Chalkperson wrote:Then it's up to Lance, who is being kept informed by me of the situation. I am sending him the conversation, not attempting to influence him.

Something tells me you aren't going to send him your recent posts directed at me in the Trump thread. Why don't you send him those too?

lennygoran · Post by **lennygoran** » Fri Jan 01, 2016 4:59 pm

Chalkperson wrote: I see you as a Troll.
That's against the rules here.
I had this little 'outburst' to see what would happen...
John F, Ricotdanza and Lemmy dont think Randall is Trolling.
John B won't cast a vote, lord knows why...
Getting rid of both Randall and myself is the best thing for this Board.
It's the Board I care about, not Randall's bigoted, racist, homophobic links.

Chalkie I looked up the definition of trolling:
troll2
trōl/
verb
gerund or present participle: trolling

1.
informal
make a deliberately offensive or provocative online posting with the aim of upsetting someone or eliciting an angry response from them.
"if people are obviously trolling then I'll delete your posts and do my best to ban you"

I just don't know for sure that Rwet fits in this category-gee the guy is entitled to support views and candidates even if I don't agree with him-I believe in giving people the benefit of the doubt. If you want to help the board you should stay in our group-your loss would be a terrible blow. Regards, Len

rwetmore · Post by **rwetmore** » Fri Jan 01, 2016 5:06 pm

lennygoran wrote:
jbuck919 wrote:It took me a bit of back-reading of threads and posts, but I now see that what brought things to a head, in the immediate sense anyway, was Randall's link to the offensive Townhall article. Its phony association of support of science with denial of transgender dignity and its blatant insult of Caitlyn Jenner and other transgendered people are more than enough to discount the credibility of anything else in the article and send it straight into the trash can. I wonder if rwetmore actually read the whole thing,
Wow I didn't even know about any of this-I just don't have time to read all the links Rwetmore points to-I hope Rwetmore hasn't made or supported derogatory remarks about transgendered people. Regards, Len

Look, I saw the passage when I read the article the first time. I thought it was a bit weird actually and didn't know what the author was specifically referring to even. Again, it was not the meat and potatoes of the article, which I only said I *largely* agreed with.

lennygoran · Post by **lennygoran** » Fri Jan 01, 2016 5:10 pm

rwetmore wrote: Look, I saw the passage when I read the article the first time. I thought it was a bit weird actually and didn't know what the author was specifically referring to even. Again, it was not the meat and potatoes of the article, which I only said I *largely* agreed with.

I haven't read the article, don't even know which message it's attached too or where it is-what's more I don't think I'll have time to read it-did it disparage transgenders-if it did then it probably shouldn't have been attached? Regards, Len

Chalkperson · Post by **Chalkperson** » Fri Jan 01, 2016 6:30 pm

rwetmore wrote:
Chalkperson wrote:Then it's up to Lance, who is being kept informed by me of the situation. I am sending him the conversation, not attempting to influence him.
Something tells me you aren't going to send him your recent posts directed at me in the Trump thread. Why don't you send him those too?

I did that last night, and again today.

Why wouldn't I?

I said I'm not biased, I'm keeping him informed.

Chalkperson · Post by **Chalkperson** » Fri Jan 01, 2016 6:35 pm

rwetmore wrote:
lennygoran wrote:
jbuck919 wrote:It took me a bit of back-reading of threads and posts, but I now see that what brought things to a head, in the immediate sense anyway, was Randall's link to the offensive Townhall article. Its phony association of support of science with denial of transgender dignity and its blatant insult of Caitlyn Jenner and other transgendered people are more than enough to discount the credibility of anything else in the article and send it straight into the trash can. I wonder if rwetmore actually read the whole thing,
Wow I didn't even know about any of this-I just don't have time to read all the links Rwetmore points to-I hope Rwetmore hasn't made or supported derogatory remarks about transgendered people. Regards, Len
Look, I saw the passage when I read the article the first time. I thought it was a bit weird actually and didn't know what the author was specifically referring to even. Again, it was not the meat and potatoes of the article, which I only said I *largely* agreed with.

Not the point, Randall.

You posted highly offensive material.

Transgender people must be treated with respect and tolerated.

I sided with you on your Muslim posts. I suggested they were close to the line but it was your right, you were quoting Trump.

This is a pundit. And it's beyond disgusting.

Posting as often as you do, keeping the Trump Thread at the top of the list is exactly what you did with Climate Change. We agreed you would not go that again.

I tried suggesting daily polling was not worth reporting, you disagreed.

But the transgender quote was the final straw.

I notice you chose not to answer my question about Trumps Spokesperson threatening to wear a fetus on TV.

Chalkperson · Post by **Chalkperson** » Fri Jan 01, 2016 6:39 pm

lennygoran wrote:
rwetmore wrote: Look, I saw the passage when I read the article the first time. I thought it was a bit weird actually and didn't know what the author was specifically referring to even. Again, it was not the meat and potatoes of the article, which I only said I *largely* agreed with.
I haven't read the article, don't even know which message it's attached too or where it is-what's more I don't think I'll have time to read it-did it disparage transgenders-if it did then it probably shouldn't have been attached? Regards, Len

My point exactly and my reason for saying he's Trolling offensive material.

This is the part about Transgenders.

To add insult to economic injury, the Democrat Party, led by comrade Obama, pushes for more low-skilled immigration in deliberate efforts at wealth redistribution on a global scale. Where does this leave Americans (of all backgrounds) who are looking for work?

And then there are the latest sexual position papers, rammed down the public's throats without any opportunity for discussion, investigation or meaningful evaluation. The self-proclaimed "party of science" manages to ignore biology and genetics in announcing that a man who tucks his genitalia into a white swimsuit for the airbrushed cover of a glossy fashion magazine is a woman because he feels like one.

Express the slightest reservation over this dubious conclusion -- or a modicum of concern over the wisdom or safety of allowing men in dresses into public restrooms with little girls -- and the Democrat Party and its shock troops leap to call you "a hater," "a bigot" and any number of other epithets.

Chalkperson · Post by **Chalkperson** » Fri Jan 01, 2016 6:41 pm

Perhaps that might influence Lenny to understand why Randalk is doing wrong against this site,

Trolling is against the rules.

rwetmore · Post by **rwetmore** » Fri Jan 01, 2016 6:59 pm

Chalkperson wrote:Not the point, Randall.

You posted highly offensive material.

Transgender people must be treated with respect and tolerated.

In what way did the author suggest or imply that transgender people shouldn't be treated with respect? Because I don't see that. But this is a scapegoat. There is something else going on here beneath the surface. Frankly, I don't think you have ever gotten over the climate change/cloud feedback thread, and that is what this is about with me.

Either I'm free to discuss Trump's campaign and candidacy, as anyone should be able to support their candidate, or I'm not and you want to overtly censor and restrict my ability to do that. You seem to want to have it both ways in confining me to one thread, but not let me post in it freely as I wish. Well guess what, if I can't post in one single thread and can't post new threads on the subject, then I'm effectively censored from expressing my point of view. The bottom line is you don't want me to be able to express my view and support of Trump, because you abhor him and the notion of him possibly becoming President. I'm not criticizing you for abhorring him (you are entitled to your opinion of the man), but I'm criticizing you for wanting to censor my views and discussion on him.

You are free to post anything you want for Hilary or whomever you support. As much as you want.

And BTW, just because you are the moderator doesn't mean you have to read every post or thread. Here's some advice: Simply don't read the Trump thread.

jbuck919 · Post by **jbuck919** » Fri Jan 01, 2016 7:28 pm

rwetmore wrote:
Chalkperson wrote:Not the point, Randall.

You posted highly offensive material.

Transgender people must be treated with respect and tolerated.
In what way did the author suggest or imply that transgender people shouldn't be treated with respect? Because I don't see that.

If you don't see that the article is deeply offensive in that way, then at the very least you need your consciousness raised to a modern level. Addressing only this one aspect of the situation, I will tell you that even in the aggregate of rural, town, and small-city upstate New York schools where I teach, I now encounter transgendered children all the time. I repeat, all the time. All teachers must be extremely conscious of this in order not to make their already challenging young lives even more difficult with a faux pas. It is harder for a substitute teacher who only spends one day in a classroom to which he may or may not ever return. For someone implicitly to dismiss Caitlyn Jenner as a phony because her genetic biology belies her psychological identity is to exhibit a benightedness on the level of saying that homosexuals choose their preference because they are under the influence of evil spirits. To invoke science in support of such a view, when in fact science at least since Freud has accepted the realities of the human psychic constitution, is no better than attempting to use science to prove the superiority of one race over another.

lennygoran · Post by **lennygoran** » Fri Jan 01, 2016 7:50 pm

Chalkperson wrote:
This is the part about Transgenders.

To add insult to economic injury, the Democrat Party, led by comrade Obama, pushes for more low-skilled immigration in deliberate efforts at wealth redistribution on a global scale. Where does this leave Americans (of all backgrounds) who are looking for work?

And then there are the latest sexual position papers, rammed down the public's throats without any opportunity for discussion, investigation or meaningful evaluation. The self-proclaimed "party of science" manages to ignore biology and genetics in announcing that a man who tucks his genitalia into a white swimsuit for the airbrushed cover of a glossy fashion magazine is a woman because he feels like one.

Express the slightest reservation over this dubious conclusion -- or a modicum of concern over the wisdom or safety of allowing men in dresses into public restrooms with little girls -- and the Democrat Party and its shock troops leap to call you "a hater," "a bigot" and any number of other epithets.

Wow-this is awful-if Rwet read this entire article and still chose to attach it this is just terrible-this is in the same vain as when Auntie L criticized M Obama's behind. Regards, Len

Chalkperson · Post by **Chalkperson** » Fri Jan 01, 2016 10:32 pm

rwetmore wrote:Frankly, I don't think you have ever gotten over the climate change/cloud feedback thread, and that is what this is about with me.

You are free to post anything you want for Hilary or whomever you support. As much as you want.

And BTW, just because you are the moderator doesn't mean you have to read every post or thread. Here's some advice: Simply don't read the Trump thread.

1/ nothing could be further from the truth, I think you are wrong on Climate Change, but, I only ever saw one offensive post in all those years, you had not checked that link properly either.

2/ I have stated numerous times on this Forum, I have no allegiance to either party.

3a/ the Muslim issue contained John F asking for you to be banned.

3/b the Muslim thread contained John F asking for Absinthe to be banned.

John F beats me 2-1 in requests for people to be banned.

If I did not read those threads every day I would not have seen it.

I genuinely don't remember whose thread, but it might very well have been yours, that Aunty Lynn insulted Len's wife, he called for her banning numerous times. After that level of person insult I spoke to Lance.

I speak to Lance very rarely, this Board is Self Moderating as much as possible, Corlyss asked me to intervene as little as possible.

But, you are a Troll, and in my mind should go from this Site for Trolling on Trump. You did not Troll on Climate Change.

On that thread you manipulated the position of the Thread, you promised not to do that again, but you have, and I'm calling you on it.

Your behavior is out in the open, so I'm making my case out in the open.

The only opinion that counts is that of Lance.

Im happy to go down with you, just to get you out if here.

This Board should be a Troll Free Zone.

End.

Chalkperson · Post by **Chalkperson** » Fri Jan 01, 2016 10:39 pm

jbuck919 wrote:
rwetmore wrote:
Chalkperson wrote:Not the point, Randall.

You posted highly offensive material.

Transgender people must be treated with respect and tolerated.
In what way did the author suggest or imply that transgender people shouldn't be treated with respect? Because I don't see that.
If you don't see that the article is deeply offensive in that way, then at the very least you need your consciousness raised to a modern level. Addressing only this one aspect of the situation, I will tell you that even in the aggregate of rural, town, and small-city upstate New York schools where I teach, I now encounter transgendered children all the time. I repeat, all the time. All teachers must be extremely conscious of this in order not to make their already challenging young lives even more difficult with a faux pas. It is harder for a substitute teacher who only spends one day in a classroom to which he may or may not ever return. For someone implicitly to dismiss Caitlyn Jenner as a phony because her genetic biology belies her psychological identity is to exhibit a benightedness on the level of saying that homosexuals choose their preference because they are under the influence of evil spirits. To invoke science in support of such a view, when in fact science at least since Freud has accepted the realities of the human psychic constitution, is no better than attempting to use science to prove the superiority of one race over another.

The article suggests that a transgender person is not safe in a woman's public bathroom.

Saying they are not real women.

These people change their sex because they feel that they are in the wrong body.

I have two transgender friends, one is male but born female, my other friends daughter is undergoing surgery.

Don't you dare try and tell me that article is not highly offensive,

It's the most vile description of a transgender person I have ever read.

Yet you can't even grasp the basics of hormone change, sex change, or gender change.

You are a homophobe of the highest order, and you disgust me.

This has f*ck all to do with your previous obsession.

That of Climate Change.

This time you are Trolling for Trump. Pure and Simple.

Chalkperson · Post by **Chalkperson** » Fri Jan 01, 2016 10:44 pm

lennygoran wrote:
Chalkperson wrote:
Then have it. I quit...I have zero interest in helping run a site where one sole right wing nutcase creates an impression that's completely false, fills it with right wing hate filled, bigoted propaganda, and gets to stay. It was me or him, you picked him, as I expected...
Love that you feel this is s joking matter, Lemmy, I thought better of you.
Chalkie you're imho really over reacting-please don't quit. I doubt anyone will get the impression we're filled with right wing bigots. Regards, Len

If that's what it takes to rid this site of a Troll then it's what I'm prepared to do.

The Board is more important than any one member.

We have few members left.

Nobody will join up when we still have a Troll in the House.

John F · Post by **John F** » Sat Jan 02, 2016 12:34 am

Chalkie, your vendetta against rwetmore amounts to a demand for political censorship. rwetmore is not a troll - that is, one whose clear purpose is to disrupt the forum. I've been online 30 years and know trolls when I see them, and I've seen plenty. His offense is that his strongly held political views - which are certainly controversial, but many in this country share them in the great debate that's now going on - are opposed to your own. Do you really mean to say that the price of your continued membership in CMG is enforced political correctness by your own standards? You say, "The Board is more important than any one member." I couldn't agree more.

Chalkperson · Post by **Chalkperson** » Sat Jan 02, 2016 2:03 am

John F wrote:Chalkie, your vendetta against rwetmore amounts to a demand for political censorship. rwetmore is not a troll - that is, one whose clear purpose is to disrupt the forum. I've been online 30 years and know trolls when I see them, and I've seen plenty. His offense is that his strongly held political views - which are certainly controversial, but many in this country share them in the great debate that's now going on - are opposed to your own. Do you really mean to say that the price of your continued membership in CMG is enforced political correctness by your own standards? You say, "The Board is more important than any one member." I couldn't agree more.

We define Trolls differently, I have seen plenty too.

I'm not the only one here who thinks he's Trolling.

It's not my decision, that belongs to Lance to decide if he's disrupting the forum.

His vile post certainly spurred me into disrupting this place, as understood by John B.

Randall says he has not one ounce of political correctness in his body.

That statement concerns me greatly.

I'm paraphrasing and can't be bothered to see exactly what he wrote.

Interesting that his Anti Muslem statement got you calling for his ouster, and then Absinthe's.

But his transgender statement is OK in your book.

Talk about double standards.

Meaning when you define it as offensive it's cool, but when I do you think it isn't.

But we both wanted the same person banned.

Hmmmm......

Both wanted him out of here, must be a clue there, don't you think.

What YOU wanted amounted to Political Censorship too, you cannot deny that part.

It's just that now he's offended two of us, in two areas.

I'm not interested in waiting for him to do it a third time.

Chalkperson · Post by **Chalkperson** » Sat Jan 02, 2016 11:40 pm

Nobody has anything to say about this Thread?

That is an example of 'bumping' a tactic used by Randall Wetmore to get his Thread back up to the top of the list.

In my book it is part of his Trolling tactics.

By getting his Threads to the top of the list it looks like people are actually interested in them.

Apologies for behaving like this, but I have a case to prove.

Check his track record if you don't believe me.

He agreed to stop doing this a year ago, but did not comply.

I put up with his behavior until he posted on transgender people being sub human.

They are not, they are just like anyone, they are human beings.

karlhenning · Post by **karlhenning** » Sun Jan 03, 2016 7:42 am

Chalkperson wrote:Nobody has anything to say about this Thread?

That is an example of 'bumping' a tactic used by Randall Wetmore to get his Thread back up to the top of the list.

In my book it is part of his Trolling tactics.

By getting his Threads to the top of the list it looks like people are actually interested in them.

Apologies for behaving like this, but I have a case to prove.

Check his track record if you don't believe me.

He agreed to stop doing this a year ago, but did not comply.

In which case, he de facto consents to any reasonable reprimand.

Chalkie's point about all the Trump shilling casting a negative air on CMG cannot be emphasized too strongly. This is a small, and generally quiet, group; a group by intention dedicated to classical music, but that isn't how Randall uses it at all, is it? He is highly active in the Pub, which ought normally to be only a sidebar to the group; but in fact this one user and his proselytizing for an inflammatory presidential prospect counterbalances (and more than counterbalances) the volume of music discussion. We may not particularly that feel we need new membership, but I don't see how that would be a bad thing--but any new prospective member who looks into CMG has a better than even chance of being turned off because most of what is posted is Trump-centric spam.

A certain portion of the activity in the Music Board is myself posting news about my work, which is arguably something that (of all the membership) only I seem quite consistently interested in, and if we want to consider that spam, I entertain the argument. I do think, however, that the discussion of Music ought to be the engine of CMG, instead of the maraschino cherry atop Randall's Miracle Whip of Trump posts.

Cheers,
~k.

Chalkperson · Post by **Chalkperson** » Mon Jan 04, 2016 3:06 am

karlhenning wrote:
Chalkperson wrote:Nobody has anything to say about this Thread?

That is an example of 'bumping' a tactic used by Randall Wetmore to get his Thread back up to the top of the list.

In my book it is part of his Trolling tactics.

By getting his Threads to the top of the list it looks like people are actually interested in them.

Apologies for behaving like this, but I have a case to prove.

Check his track record if you don't believe me.

He agreed to stop doing this a year ago, but did not comply.
In which case, he de facto consents to any reasonable reprimand.

Chalkie's point about all the Trump shilling casting a negative air on CMG cannot be emphasized too strongly. This is a small, and generally quiet, group; a group by intention dedicated to classical music, but that isn't how Randall uses it at all, is it? He is highly active in the Pub, which ought normally to be only a sidebar to the group; but in fact this one user and his proselytizing for an inflammatory presidential prospect counterbalances (and more than counterbalances) the volume of music discussion. We may not particularly that feel we need new membership, but I don't see how that would be a bad thing--but any new prospective member who looks into CMG has a better than even chance of being turned off because most of what is posted is Trump-centric spam.

A certain portion of the activity in the Music Board is myself posting news about my work, which is arguably something that (of all the membership) only I seem quite consistently interested in, and if we want to consider that spam, I entertain the argument. I do think, however, that the discussion of Music ought to be the engine of CMG, instead of the maraschino cherry atop Randall's Miracle Whip of Trump posts.

Cheers,
~k.

Very eloquently put Karl.

Randall is quiet, let's hope he stays that way permanently.

He should simply disappear quietly and stop schilling and spamming on Trump, and his other fanatical obsessions.

That would be an honorable thing to do, in my opinion.

I'm not the only one who sees your posts as a reason nobody comes here any more.

Why would they?

Lots of lurkers though are watching, clicking on this thread and laughing at us.

I felt obliged to air our dirty laundry in public.

I saw no other way to rid ourselves of the Troll, RWetmore

Holden Fourth · Post by **Holden Fourth** » Mon Jan 04, 2016 4:01 am

The only thing I have to say about this thread is that it should be closed asap. Nothing positive can come from this discussion except the possibility that some current members will just quietly depart, never to return. I am appalled at the way this has degenerated into a vituperative slanging match and any guests currently viewing this thread would wonder what sort of community CMG actually is.

I have also wondered why our moderators have not stepped in and have thought that a complaint/report might have to registered with them for action to be taken. Please note that I have now reported the last post in this thread.

karlhenning · Post by **karlhenning** » Mon Jan 04, 2016 8:57 am

Well, as I understand the forum's organization, you've just reported a moderator's post to the moderators, but all right.

Cheers,
~k.

Holden Fourth · Post by **Holden Fourth** » Mon Jan 04, 2016 1:31 pm

karlhenning wrote:Well, as I understand the forum's organization, you've just reported a moderator's post to the moderators, but all right.

Cheers,
~k.

I realise that which is why I mentioned it to the rest of the forum. I'm going to follow my own protocols by not returning to this thread, even to read it.

Chalkperson · Post by **Chalkperson** » Mon Jan 04, 2016 10:29 pm

Holden Fourth wrote:
karlhenning wrote:Well, as I understand the forum's organization, you've just reported a moderator's post to the moderators, but all right.

Cheers,
~k.
I realise that which is why I mentioned it to the rest of the forum. I'm going to follow my own protocols by not returning to this thread, even to read it.

I also sent this Thread to Lance, on two separate occasions.

Full disclosure, it's only fair that way.

It shows why we need moderators, as when it's vital and urgent I call Lance on the phone.

That gets Threads taken down, I can't do that, nor can I remove Randall's posts.

Given that I'm technically outvoted it shows you guys disagree with me.

I should have just done this without debate, but I was so outraged personally by the link I chose to write as a disgruntled member.

Randall is still a Troll, and the rules prohibit Trolls.

The Pub can be a toxic place, not for the faint hearted. It still exists because I agreed to monitor it, Lance does not like it in here, who can blame him when we have members like Aunty Lynn and Randall.

Otherwise it's a self moderating place, just like Corlyss wanted.

As Karl says, music is the key here.

Randall is vastly knowledgable about Classical Music, knows a lot about recordings, is a little obsessed with one conductor, but would be a great asset if he posted on music.

But he chooses to Troll Climate Change and Trump instead.

Do he's not a contributor really, he's just a Troll who uses this site to schill for Trump.

We have had discussions in the past about not allowing membership if a person does not like Classical
Music. Randall does, but is not interested in sharing his knowledge or views.

Another reason to consider revoking his membership. He's using us, and this embarrassing Thread is the result.

karlhenning · Post by **karlhenning** » Thu Jan 07, 2016 8:31 am

“There hasn't been much news about Trump lately, but I'm going to make sure this thread is at the top of the Pub.”

Cheers,
~k.

Chalkperson · Post by **Chalkperson** » Thu Jan 07, 2016 11:57 am

karlhenning wrote:“There hasn't been much news about Trump lately, but I'm going to make sure this thread is at the top of the Pub.”

Cheers,
~k.

Yup, so let's bump this one back up.

karlhenning · Post by **karlhenning** » Thu Jan 07, 2016 12:53 pm

Randall's suggestion that what is needed is threads about Bernie and Hillary to "balance" his Trumparrhea underscores my point, that he mistakes CMG for a Politics Forum. If that's what he wants, I am sure they are out there to be found on the Internet.

The name of this site is The Classical Music Guide Forums.

Seems pretty clear to me.

Cheers,
~k.

rwetmore · Post by **rwetmore** » Thu Jan 07, 2016 1:24 pm

karlhenning wrote:Randall's suggestion that what is needed is threads about Bernie and Hillary to "balance" his Trumparrhea underscores my point, that he mistakes CMG for a Politics Forum. If that's what he wants, I am sure they are out there to be found on the Internet.

The name of this site is The Classical Music Guide Forums.

Seems pretty clear to me.

Uh, no -- not at all. We have the classical music only board and it is very active. This is the Corner Pub where non-classical music related discussion is specifically supposed to take place, which includes politics and virtually anything else. Not just myself, but many other members post and discuss politics and political related topics here in the Pub on a regular basis. What's not appropriate is to discuss or bring up politics on the classical music board, because it's for classical music discussion only. In fact, that's what spawned the Pub in the first place. That is, people were trying to discuss non-classical music topics and it was interfering with the music discussion too much. Again, if people can't take the heat of political discussion in combination with everything else discussed in the Pub, they shouldn't participate here. Many have chosen to leave and/or no longer participate. Barry Z and Larry R come to mind (and BTW, neither left because of me).

Chalkperson · Post by **Chalkperson** » Thu Jan 07, 2016 11:51 pm

rwetmore wrote:
karlhenning wrote:Randall's suggestion that what is needed is threads about Bernie and Hillary to "balance" his Trumparrhea underscores my point, that he mistakes CMG for a Politics Forum. If that's what he wants, I am sure they are out there to be found on the Internet.

The name of this site is The Classical Music Guide Forums.

Seems pretty clear to me.

Uh, no -- not at all. We have the classical music only board and it is very active. This is the Corner Pub where non-classical music related discussion is specifically supposed to take place, which includes politics and virtually anything else. Not just myself, but many other members post and discuss politics and political related topics here in the Pub on a regular basis. What's not appropriate is to discuss or bring up politics on the classical music board, because it's for classical music discussion only. In fact, that's what spawned the Pub in the first place. That is, people were trying to discuss non-classical music topics and it was interfering with the music discussion too much. Again, if people can't take the heat of political discussion in combination with everything else discussed in the Pub, they shouldn't participate here. Many have chosen to leave and/or no longer participate. Barry Z and Larry R come to mind (and BTW, neither left because of me).

The list is actually much longer than that.

Why would people on the right leave because of you?

What is wrong is that the Pub was set up for the Classical Chatterbox contributors to air opinions, and comment, on non Classical matters.

You are the only person here who does not post in the Chatterbox, that's a key reason Lance carefully vets potential members.

The Pub has always been a rough house, toxic at times. But those posts came from Chatterbox Contributors.

There have been a few times in the last eight or so years that the Pub has almost been closed altogether.

That's why I agreed to monitor it, so it could stay open.

You make a mockery of that by only Trolling in the Pub.

Chalkperson · Post by **Chalkperson** » Wed Jan 13, 2016 1:20 am

Time to follow Randall's lead and bump this thread again.

Agnes wrote:A note from far away Australia.

I am sorry I ever said I enjoy your electioneering. I am afraid, I no longer do.
I am sure many people who once contributed to this board are no longer interested
to contribute or even read the comments. Randal, you can't win the elections for
the Trumpet, he has to do it himself. So perhaps you can change your topic
or you may as well close this page.

A voice of reason, and one of our most esteemed members.

jbuck919 · Post by **jbuck919** » Wed Jan 13, 2016 9:19 am

Since the thread has been bumped, and in case anyone is interested (and I'm sure no one is, but I'm going to post it anyway), the common interpretation of the Roman thumbs-up, thumbs-down is exactly the opposite of the ancient Roman practice.

http://wordinfo.info/unit/3735/ip:1/il:K

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