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Last Night's Republican Debate

Post by lennygoran » Sun Feb 14, 2016 6:22 am

The best thing was seeing Trump getting booed so many times. One of the worst things was how poorly the moderators handled things which were pretty much out of control. I can only hope that some of the comments made by Bush and Cruz cut into Trump's 30%. Regards, Len :lol:

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Re: Last Night's Republican Debate

Post by rwetmore » Sun Feb 14, 2016 7:51 am

lennygoran wrote:The best thing was seeing Trump getting booed so many times. One of the worst things was how poorly the moderators handled things which were pretty much out of control. I can only hope that some of the comments made by Bush and Cruz cut into Trump's 30%. Regards, Len :lol:
I didn't see it yet, but the audience was stacked with donors -- who are all against Trump (because they can't buy his influence).
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Re: Last Night's Republican Debate

Post by lennygoran » Sun Feb 14, 2016 8:03 am

rwetmore wrote:
I didn't see it yet, but the audience was stacked with donors -- who are all against Trump (because they can't buy his influence).
Well that could be-still I enjoyed the booing he got. :D He took some risky positions for someone who wants the SC vote and I hope he gets nailed for them--impeaching George Bush, praise for a lot of planned parenthood--also Cruz called him a liberal :lol: --Bush got him on his vulgarity-the others should have hit him even harder on that. How about this scenario-Trump said he could walk down 5th Ave and shoot someone and he would still not lose his support-if we could get Cruz to come to NYC maybe to get some more of that loan from Goldman Sachs and Trump shot him we might be able to get rid of both Trump and Cruz in one fell swoop! Regards, Len [fleeing]

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Re: Last Night's Republican Debate

Post by rwetmore » Sun Feb 14, 2016 8:06 am

lennygoran wrote:How about this scenario-Trump said he could walk down 5th Ave and shoot someone and he would still not lose his support-
Trump was totally kidding about that. Of course he would lose his support if he shot someone for no reason.
"Most human beings have an almost infinite capacity for taking things for granted. That men do not learn very much from the lessons of history is the most important of all the lessons of history."
- Aldous Huxley

"Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing has happened."
-Winston Churchill

“Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one!”
–Charles Mackay

"It doesn't matter how smart you are - if you don't stop and think."
-Thomas Sowell

"It's one of the functions of the mainstream news media to fact-check political speech and where there are lies, to reveal them to the voters."
-John F. (of CMG)

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Re: Last Night's Republican Debate

Post by rwetmore » Sun Feb 14, 2016 8:07 am

At any rate, I look forward to watching it -- probably today.
"Most human beings have an almost infinite capacity for taking things for granted. That men do not learn very much from the lessons of history is the most important of all the lessons of history."
- Aldous Huxley

"Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing has happened."
-Winston Churchill

“Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one!”
–Charles Mackay

"It doesn't matter how smart you are - if you don't stop and think."
-Thomas Sowell

"It's one of the functions of the mainstream news media to fact-check political speech and where there are lies, to reveal them to the voters."
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Re: Last Night's Republican Debate

Post by lennygoran » Sun Feb 14, 2016 8:23 am

rwetmore wrote: Of course he would lose his support if he shot someone for no reason.
Forget about losing his support-they'd lock him up for life and I sure hope it wouldn't be one of those fancy prisons the rich take advantage of!

http://www.therichest.com/rich-list/12- ... /?view=all

Actually I don't know who I despise more-Trump or Cruz. Regards, Len :(

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Re: Last Night's Republican Debate

Post by rwetmore » Sun Feb 14, 2016 10:32 am

Whoa...I'm watching the debate now. It's getting heated. I can't believe Trump said Bush lied about there being WMDs in Iraq. That may hurt him. I certainly don't agree and don't think Bush lied at all and believed there were WMDs.
"Most human beings have an almost infinite capacity for taking things for granted. That men do not learn very much from the lessons of history is the most important of all the lessons of history."
- Aldous Huxley

"Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing has happened."
-Winston Churchill

“Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one!”
–Charles Mackay

"It doesn't matter how smart you are - if you don't stop and think."
-Thomas Sowell

"It's one of the functions of the mainstream news media to fact-check political speech and where there are lies, to reveal them to the voters."
-John F. (of CMG)

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Re: Last Night's Republican Debate

Post by Chalkperson » Mon Feb 15, 2016 4:13 am

rwetmore wrote:Whoa...I'm watching the debate now. It's getting heated. I can't believe Trump said Bush lied about there being WMDs in Iraq. That may hurt him. I certainly don't agree and don't think Bush lied at all and believed there were WMDs.
OK Randall, tell me what they were, and where they were.

Because as far as I knew they were all moved out of Iraq before we invaded.

So, enlighten us with your knowledge.
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Re: Last Night's Republican Debate

Post by John F » Mon Feb 15, 2016 9:53 am

Right. The American military occupied Iraq and hunted everywhere for traces of Saddam Hussein's alleged nuclear weapons program, under pressure from the Bush administration, and came up empty. There are other weapons of mass destruction than nukes, but we certainly didn't invade Iraq because they had chemical weapons, which they used against their own people ten years earlier.
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Re: Last Night's Republican Debate

Post by rwetmore » Mon Feb 15, 2016 1:30 pm

Chalkperson wrote:OK Randall, tell me what they were, and where they were.

Because as far as I knew they were all moved out of Iraq before we invaded.

So, enlighten us with your knowledge.
I never said WMDs (at least the big kind it was thought he had) were found or are there. I'm just saying I don't believe Bush lied about it, and that he believed from intelligence reports as many did (for years) that Iraq had them.
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"Most human beings have an almost infinite capacity for taking things for granted. That men do not learn very much from the lessons of history is the most important of all the lessons of history."
- Aldous Huxley

"Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing has happened."
-Winston Churchill

“Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one!”
–Charles Mackay

"It doesn't matter how smart you are - if you don't stop and think."
-Thomas Sowell

"It's one of the functions of the mainstream news media to fact-check political speech and where there are lies, to reveal them to the voters."
-John F. (of CMG)

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Re: Last Night's Republican Debate

Post by rwetmore » Mon Feb 15, 2016 1:36 pm

IMO, Trump should have just said there were no WMDs and left it at that. I don't think bashing G.W. Bush to that degree is likely to help him with primary voters. Maybe in the general election, but even there I think it's counterproductive and not wise. He's made his stance clear on being against the Iraq war, and that should be plenty good enough for voters (including so-called 'Reagan Democrats').
"Most human beings have an almost infinite capacity for taking things for granted. That men do not learn very much from the lessons of history is the most important of all the lessons of history."
- Aldous Huxley

"Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing has happened."
-Winston Churchill

“Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one!”
–Charles Mackay

"It doesn't matter how smart you are - if you don't stop and think."
-Thomas Sowell

"It's one of the functions of the mainstream news media to fact-check political speech and where there are lies, to reveal them to the voters."
-John F. (of CMG)

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Re: Last Night's Republican Debate

Post by rwetmore » Mon Feb 15, 2016 4:37 pm

Then again the SC primary is open to all registered voters, Republican, Democrat, and Independent. Maybe Trump is playing to Democrats in the hope they'll crossover and vote for him. I still think it went too far, and I tend to think Trump doesn't really believe Bush lied either. I think I saw a piece today where he's come out and taken back the part about him lying, though I can't find it right now (I'll do some more looking).

Here is Limbaugh's take on this, which is interesting as always. BTW, Limbaugh is not pro-Trump (or pro-anyone in particular):

My take on the GOP Debate

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2016/ ... gop_debate
"Most human beings have an almost infinite capacity for taking things for granted. That men do not learn very much from the lessons of history is the most important of all the lessons of history."
- Aldous Huxley

"Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing has happened."
-Winston Churchill

“Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one!”
–Charles Mackay

"It doesn't matter how smart you are - if you don't stop and think."
-Thomas Sowell

"It's one of the functions of the mainstream news media to fact-check political speech and where there are lies, to reveal them to the voters."
-John F. (of CMG)

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Re: Last Night's Republican Debate

Post by rwetmore » Mon Feb 15, 2016 4:58 pm

It will be very interesting to see if this hurts or helps Trump. Both in the short-term and long-term. I think it was a mistake, but probably not a fatal one. Though many pundits are once again predicting that this will be the end for Trump. You'd think by now they would be a little more cautious about such declarations. I can tell everyone from my own experience with Republicans there is not a lot of love for G.W. Bush, and his decision to invade Iraq.
"Most human beings have an almost infinite capacity for taking things for granted. That men do not learn very much from the lessons of history is the most important of all the lessons of history."
- Aldous Huxley

"Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing has happened."
-Winston Churchill

“Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one!”
–Charles Mackay

"It doesn't matter how smart you are - if you don't stop and think."
-Thomas Sowell

"It's one of the functions of the mainstream news media to fact-check political speech and where there are lies, to reveal them to the voters."
-John F. (of CMG)

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Re: Last Night's Republican Debate

Post by Chalkperson » Tue Feb 16, 2016 10:51 pm

rwetmore wrote:
Chalkperson wrote:OK Randall, tell me what they were, and where they were.

Because as far as I knew they were all moved out of Iraq before we invaded.

So, enlighten us with your knowledge.
I never said WMDs (at least the big kind it was thought he had) were found or are there. I'm just saying I don't believe Bush lied about it, and that he believed from intelligence reports as many did (for years) that Iraq had them.
Randall. You are cracking me up.

Based on US Law, a Bus, a Train, and an Areoplane are all WMD's.

So yes, Saddam had these items.

As for Bush not lying, you are more gullible than even I thought possible.
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Re: Last Night's Republican Debate

Post by rwetmore » Wed Feb 17, 2016 6:34 am

Chalkperson wrote:
rwetmore wrote:
Chalkperson wrote:OK Randall, tell me what they were, and where they were.

Because as far as I knew they were all moved out of Iraq before we invaded.

So, enlighten us with your knowledge.
I never said WMDs (at least the big kind it was thought he had) were found or are there. I'm just saying I don't believe Bush lied about it, and that he believed from intelligence reports as many did (for years) that Iraq had them.
Randall. You are cracking me up.

Based on US Law, a Bus, a Train, and an Areoplane are all WMD's.

So yes, Saddam had these items.

As for Bush not lying, you are more gullible than even I thought possible.
So you and Trump agree on something. How nice.

I'm glad I'm cracking you up. That's a nice change from a couple months ago.
"Most human beings have an almost infinite capacity for taking things for granted. That men do not learn very much from the lessons of history is the most important of all the lessons of history."
- Aldous Huxley

"Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing has happened."
-Winston Churchill

“Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one!”
–Charles Mackay

"It doesn't matter how smart you are - if you don't stop and think."
-Thomas Sowell

"It's one of the functions of the mainstream news media to fact-check political speech and where there are lies, to reveal them to the voters."
-John F. (of CMG)

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