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lennygoran
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Trump Must Go

Post by lennygoran » Sat May 16, 2020 7:15 am

Trump seems to think there’d be no coronavirus if there was no testing. It doesn’t work like that.


“Don’t forget, we have more cases than anybody in the world. But why? Because we do more testing,” Trump said. “When you test, you have a case. When you test, you find something is wrong with people. If we didn’t do any testing, we would have very few cases. They [the media] don’t want to write that.”


https://www.vox.com/2020/5/15/21259888/ ... -few-cases


AND


Dan Good
21h ago / 10:59 AM EDT
A medical journal called on voters to replace Trump

The medical journal The Lancet on Friday published a sharply worded editorial condemning the Trump administration's coronavirus efforts and calling on voters to choose a new president.

"Americans must put a president in the White House come January, 2021, who will understand that public health should not be guided by partisan politics," The Lancet wrote.

The publication, which seldom wades into political issues, blamed the administration for undermining the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's "capacity to combat infectious diseases ... leaving an intelligence vacuum when COVID-19 began to emerge." The Lancet also cited crucial missteps by the CDC, but it warned in the editorial that punishing the CDC isn't the answer.

"The Administration is obsessed with magic bullets—vaccines, new medicines, or a hope that the virus will simply disappear. But only a steadfast reliance on basic public health principles, like test, trace, and isolate, will see the emergency brought to an end, and this requires an effective national public health agency," The Lancet wrote, calling the national response to the pandemic "inconsistent and incoherent."

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-n ... blogHeader

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Re: Trump Must Go

Post by barney » Sat May 16, 2020 5:15 pm

I was just coming on to the board to post the same story, Len. Washington Post version:

One of the world's oldest and best-known medical journals has criticised US President Donald Trump's "inconsistent and incoherent national response" to the novel coronavirus pandemic and accused the administration of relegating the Centres for Disease Control and Prevention to a "nominal" role.

The unsigned editorial from The Lancet concluded that Trump should be replaced. "Americans must put a president in the White House come January, 2021, who will understand that public health should not be guided by partisan politics," said the journal, which was founded in Britain in 1823.

The strongly worded critique highlights mounting frustration with the administration's response among some of the world's top medical researchers. It's not uncommon for medical journals to run signed editorials that take political stances, but rarely do publications use the full weight of their editorial boards to call for a president to be voted out of office.

The Lancet published the editorial as the death toll in the United States surpassed 85,000 and many states moved to reopen businesses and ease coronavirus restrictions that experts say are necessary to contain the virus.

The journal said that while infection and death rates have declined in hard-hit states such as New York and New Jersey after two months of lockdown, new outbreaks in Minnesota and Iowa have raised questions about the efficacy of the Trump administration's response.

The authors accused the administration of undermining some of the CDC's top officials, saying the agency "has seen its role minimised and become an ineffective and nominal adviser."

They noted that the agency, which is supposed to be the primary contact for health authorities during crises, has been hamstrung by years of budget cuts. The editorial said the administration left an "intelligence vacuum" in China when it pulled the last CDC officer from the country in July 2019.


The Lancet also took the CDC to task for its botched rollout of diagnostic testing in the critical early weeks that the virus began to spread in the United States. The country remains ill-equipped to provide basic surveillance or laboratory testing to combat the disease, the journal said.

"There is no doubt that the CDC has made mistakes, especially on testing in the early stages of the pandemic," the editorial said. "But punishing the agency by marginalising and hobbling it is not the solution.

"The Administration is obsessed with magic bullets - vaccines, new medicines, or a hope that the virus will simply disappear," it continued. "But only a steadfast reliance on basic public health principles, like test, trace, and isolate, will see the emergency brought to an end, and this requires an effective national public health agency."

A White House spokesman did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

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Re: Trump Must Go

Post by Belle » Sat May 16, 2020 6:38 pm

"The Lancet" (not politically accountable) and the "Washington Post" (yet again) have demanded that Trump must go. (Definition of Dogma: 'that which cannot be questioned').

That being the case I would expect the American people to shaft Trump in the November election. In the eventually of that not being the case I'll return here and ask for a reason that it didn't happen - and I'll expect a no-less incoherent answer, accompanied by the predictable dogma.

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Re: Trump Must Go

Post by barney » Sat May 16, 2020 8:46 pm

Belle, is it that you really want to defend Trump, or just stick it up those whom you see as your culture war enemies?
The Lancet provided reasons why it has come to its conclusion; you ignore all of those. Why? Are you able to refute any of the reasons the Lancet gives? I suspect not, so just go on the attack.
Obviously the Lancet is run by politically motivated incompetents. How lucky we are to have the wise guidance of President Trump and yourself.

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Re: Trump Must Go

Post by lennygoran » Sun May 17, 2020 7:13 am

barney wrote:
Sat May 16, 2020 5:15 pm
I was just coming on to the board to post the same story, Len. Washington Post version:
Barney and now we have the would be dictator getting rid of the inspector generals-the situation gets more dangerous with each passing day. Regards, Len

State Department inspector general fired

https://thehill.com/homenews/administra ... red-report

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Re: Trump Must Go

Post by lennygoran » Sun May 17, 2020 7:19 am

barney wrote:
Sat May 16, 2020 8:46 pm
How lucky we are to have the wise guidance of President Trump
Barney don't worry Trump has the answer-it's even better than a vaccine or the clorox-you don't test at all, you therefore don't get any results, the numbers remain at zero, the virus is gone! Let's face it-the Lancet didn't go nearly far enough-not only must he be defeated in Nov-he has to be locked up-we need the Supreme Court to get those taxes out there! Regards, Len :(

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Re: Trump Must Go

Post by jserraglio » Sun May 17, 2020 1:02 pm

Fellow travellers, including a few that contribute here, often echo Mr. Trump's self-pitying lamentations about what he perceives as unfair treatment by the media.

In the current crisis, however, Trump has proved himself to be the shafter, not the shaftee. In particular, he has shafted medical personnel, from the experts in his administration co-opted or muzzled, to those on the front lines who are in effect asked, in the words of one NYC doctor who later died of coronavirus, "to fight a war without bullets".

So here is a link to the Lancet editorial about past and present problems in the CDC. To what extent is it unbalanced, dogmatic and politically unaccountable? https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanc ... 5/fulltext

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Re: Trump Must Go

Post by barney » Sun May 17, 2020 4:08 pm

lennygoran wrote:
Sun May 17, 2020 7:19 am
barney wrote:
Sat May 16, 2020 8:46 pm
How lucky we are to have the wise guidance of President Trump
Barney don't worry Trump has the answer-it's even better than a vaccine or the clorox-you don't test at all, you therefore don't get any results, the numbers remain at zero, the virus is gone! Let's face it-the Lancet didn't go nearly far enough-not only must he be defeated in Nov-he has to be locked up-we need the Supreme Court to get those taxes out there! Regards, Len :(
Yes, the classic example of "we couldn't find any evidence", often used to dismiss accusations, because we made damn sure not to.

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Re: Trump Must Go

Post by david johnson » Mon May 18, 2020 5:45 am

I say Trump must stay … if the only alternative is a contemporary 'progressive'.

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Re: Trump Must Go

Post by Belle » Mon May 18, 2020 6:58 am

david johnson wrote:
Mon May 18, 2020 5:45 am
I say Trump must stay … if the only alternative is a contemporary 'progressive'.
Yes, David, but you've got to have the intelligence to realize why Trump was elected in the first place - and I see zero evidence of that. The lack of self-awareness is simply staggering.

Let's take a look at the 'plight' of a modern 'progressive'. Ellen Degeneres. She was caught at a sporting event last year with George W. Bush - a vile Republican, "lower than a snake with a belly full of buckshot" (as Foghorn Leghorn used to say). Since then it's been game on from the Left to 'get' Ellen; abuse, tale-telling, vicious stories which all - amazingly - started after she defended her friend GWB. So now we have the 'progressive' Left telling people who they should have as friends. This is the stuff of the old Soviet Union. They'll turn on their own and Ellen needed to have the smarts to know that if you play that game with progressives you'll be eaten alive, eventually. You throw a small fish to the Left and it wants a crocodile. Anyway, here's the decent old "Guardian" trying to pretend it's the lack of manners that sees Ellen in the do-do. 'Couldn't have brought this up during the last 15 or so years of the show', did I hear you ask?

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... that-means

And now the convenient ignoring of sexual abuse case against Biden because we had to - what was it now? - "believe all women". You couldn't make this stuff up, so infantile and hypocritical and a poor reflection on a once-great nation - it has to be said. You've let the far Left drive you into the ground.

Better people get better leaders.

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Re: Trump Must Go

Post by jserraglio » Mon May 18, 2020 8:34 am

Belle wrote:
Mon May 18, 2020 6:58 am
Better people get better leaders.
You got it backwards: the axiom goes, Better leaders get better people.

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Re: Trump Must Go

Post by lennygoran » Mon May 18, 2020 8:52 am

jserraglio wrote:
Mon May 18, 2020 8:34 am
Better leaders get better people.
Better leaders make better people-none of the liberate, liberate, liberate nonsense! Regards, Len [hiding out in garden-I may not get corona but the ticks are bad out here]

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