Sergeant Rock wrote:
I believe Nyugen's experience is what awaits any who have the capacity to hear Schnittke's soundworld.
I can understand how the romantics may be put off by his music. But to those who seek something that addresses the issues facing our world, the sufferings all around us, the perplexing ?no anser" solutions, Schnittke allows us to a means to see this reality expressed in music.
Which is how I arrive at the symbol that his music is A "voice of god".
I hate to rain on your parade, Paul, but Nyugen didn't express anything like that experience. He said:
"Well, the second Symphony was my first attempt at listening to Schnittke. It was a completely new experience, unlike anything I've every heard. It completely shattered my perceptions of music and opened my ears and mind to new possibilities. So it's fairly obvious that I enjoyed it, but I was at times lost and overwhelmed. The texture is amazing and the effect it had on my emotions was profound. Listening to Schnittke for the first time was an interesting, enjoyable experience."
He heard an "interesting, enjoyable experience"...not "the voice of god."
I wouldn't even bother to answer this message if I didn't feel a need to counter your attack on "Romantics." I love Romantic music, but I also love Schnittke and Pettersson as you know (or should know from our conversations at the Gramophone forum). It's not impossible to love both 19th century music and 20th century. And I say to you again, knowing both Pettersson and Schnittke far longer than you have, they are no more "spiritual" and probably less so, than Romantics like Liszt and Bruckner, or Classicists like Haydn (men who were deeply religious).
You refuse to acknowledge that, and refuse to acknowledge the profound spiritual elements in Romantic music. I don't understand that...no one I've ever seen you converse with has understood your obstinancy to accept that truth.
But please continue your quest: both Pettersson and Schnittke can use advocacy.
Ahh, of course the word 'god" is not utilized in Nyugen's declaration of his moving experience.
But as we know there are countless names for god throughout the world. When the amazonian indians are in conversation amongst themselves about god, they may use dozens of names for god. As they know god not to be limited to any one specific term such as "god', but in fact god is "a experience". All their experiences that they find a mystery fall under the ideation that we call "god".
So obviously none of us know anything concerning Nyugen's spirituality, nor if he is in fact atheist.
I'm assuming from his expression he does adhere to some religious belief, which may not need to christian or any other world religion, yet he may claim to have faith.
Now examine his words. Clearly the words express something that goes beyond his everday normal consciousness, and also beyond anything he's ever experienced in music.
Grant it, we do not know the extent of his musical experience, that is which other composers he;'s heard.
But I surmise to venture the idea he does have a good deal of classical music within his experience, and now BEHOLD! , Schnittke breaks his "classical music experience-world"
"profound", 'overwhelmed", "opened my mind and ears to new possibilities"
This exactly describes the emotional state of anyone who has had a religious experience. Not necessarily within the context of a church, as is most folks initial religious experience.
In terms of early christian faith, Nyugen has been 'born anew".
Something within him has been affected, and now he may find his musical experiences will be evolving in the future.
This is what I mean with the term "voice of god".
He's a different man, even if so slightly or unawares, after hearing the Schnittke 2nd, than the man he "WAS" before the Schnittke 2nd experience.
Obviously he does not come with "hey guys I just heard the voice of god". Thats a lunatic way of expressing a moving experience in classical.
Yet we stand in awe with ceratin of our music, and to varying degrees the more we are affected, the more the music can be said to be "a voice of god".
I guess the greeks called it 'the muses". Same idea.