Saphire wrote:paulb wrote:
And take notice of my list. Spans, early renaissance, Byrd, Tallis, Vivaldi, Bach, to Mozart, even Wagner sits at the table!!!, Grieg, Albeniz, to Schonberg, Shostakovich and many others of this era, and completes full circle to Elliot carter, Schnittke and Pettersson.
That seems to me to embrace every layer of classical, every epoch and style of classical. IOW a wholesome, universal , inclusive attitude of the great art of classical music.
Look at others list, they almost entirely exclude the 20th century and especially late 20 th century. But i might be wrong, some 20th century composers may fall in their 11-20 fav composer list. But would Schnittke , Pettersson and carter be there in the 11-20 list?
Very unlikely.
Paul
Your list contains some very big holes, like a weird swiss cheese. There's a huge one in the middle right in the middle of the sandwich: Beethoven. OK, you've put in Wagner but I reckon that is largely a sop to make it look less daft.
No one would find your views even slightly odd if you personally merely said you aren't keen on a lot of Beethoven, but to write him off in the way you do (as if he couldn't compose) in favour of mere pygmies by comparison is what makes it all so odd. I thought you realised this? While your views are extreme you write as if it's the rest of us who are odd. Beethoven was the greatest, ever.
Sorry, but this man Schnittke is a second rater at best, in comparison. That's the truth of it on any fair, general assessment. Pettersson is so far off the radar, he may as well be on the "Dark Side of the Moon"; and you know what I'd far sooner listen to any day.
Saphire
Oh goodie, I caught a fish. Let me reel him in.
Saphire, I have proposed the idea that there are 2 branches of classical music. Oh now go ahead and protest: "preposterous, we are all one, classical music IS ONE ENTITY"
I've come to this conclusion as of 6 months ago and your post has provided more substance for its validation.
The 2 branches are, if you do not know: The Mozartian and Beethovenian.
Obviously no need saying which family I owe my allegiance, my devotion.
Of course there is some slight overlapping in subsequent compoers.
And you will argue Dvorak draws just as much from Mozart as he does from Beethoven. Whereas I disticntly hear Dvorak as "Ludwig Junior". Mahler, Brahms, Sibelius syms, that entire romatic period is Beethovenisque.
Except Wagner has moments of his braek from Beethoven in his 3 greatest operas, which are the only ones I like from him, The others are too Beethovenisque for my taste.
Of course there's Grieg, whose music is inspired by his lands folk melodies.
Yes there is a huge gap in my favorite composer time line. But so many flocked after, or were unconsciously drawn into Beethoven's powerful influence.
I am Mozartian, pure and simple. Beethoven and anything with his influence is opposed to my musical sensibilities.
Sure Shostakovich has much influence from Mahler, and mahler has strong connections with Beethoven.
But you certainly can't say, "well gee, if you like Shosty, it stands to reason you will like Beethoven".
There's no where i state that Beethoven was a lousey composer. To the contrary he was a masterful composer, very eloquent in all genres of composition.
Now if you Beethovenians/romantics, choose to ignore a few late 20th century compoers, its your god given right to do so.
We live in a country of freedoms, and so can chose our own destiny.
I cannot make any claims of judgement as to your Royal Roundtable Of Composers, nor should you find fault with mine.
Let us find that common ground of neutrality and friendship where 2 or 3 composers on my list match the same 2 or 3 on your list.
Our kingdoms will live in peace.
NOTE: "oh thats nonsense, the 2 divisions, the 2 schools of classical"
Oh it is lets see we have 2 main branches of all major religions, every countries political parties are divided into opposites, North Korea vs South Korea. the list could be extended INDEFINETLY.
Nice Day
Oh yes : "is it possible to be Beethovenian and a Petterssonian and/or a Schnittkeian at the same time?"
You think you have trapped me, do you.
Yes there are cases of one being at the same time a Beethovenian and a Schnittkeian. But then consider the man may also love Mozart, and so that blows the idea that if one is Beethovenian, then how is it he also can like Pettersson or Schnittke? Because he may also like Mozart as much or in fact more than Beethoven.
He's what a call a member of both schools, and thats fine too.
But as to us pure Mozartians, we love certain composers, and exclude others.
Its the way we are wired.
So its expected you romantic(Beethovenians) faithful will not like Pettersson nor Schnitkke, its the way you are wired.
Psalm 118:22 The Stone that the builders rejected has become the chief cornerstone.
23 This is the Lord's doing , it is marvelous in our sight.