NEEME JARVI ...

dulcinea · Post by **dulcinea** » Sun Apr 27, 2008 6:20 pm

... is directing at this moment a concert dedicated to the liberation of his Estonia that doesn't have any music by Part, Tubin or any other Estonian composer. That oversight reminds me of one of the worst blunders of the main Spanish language station of Tampa. In 1991, when the agitation for separation of the non-Russian nationalities away from Russia was one of the leading news stories of the year, GALAVISION broadcast several stories about Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania in which the three Baltic nations were represented, not by their REAL flags, but rather by the ugly filthy rags prescribed by the Soviet Union, which were hardly different from the bloody tampon that was the Soviet flag.

Wallingford · Post by **Wallingford** » Sun Apr 27, 2008 6:27 pm

Which composers is Jarvi playing?

dulcinea · Post by **dulcinea** » Sun Apr 27, 2008 6:34 pm

Schubert: Overture to ROSAMUNDE and the 4th Symphony
R Strauss: DEATH AND TRANSFIGURATION
Hindemith: Symphonic Metamorphosis

Wallingford · Post by **Wallingford** » Sun Apr 27, 2008 6:45 pm

dulcinea wrote:Schubert: Overture to ROSAMUNDE and the 4th Symphony
R Strauss: DEATH AND TRANSFIGURATION
Hindemith: Symphonic Metamorphosis

Wow.....that's child's play to him. It's his version of a "no-brainer."

Of course, he's a recovering workaholic & has had to ease up since that aneurism 7 years ago.

Chalkperson · Post by **Chalkperson** » Sun Apr 27, 2008 8:01 pm

I have to say that I greatly prefer the son to the father in the Jarvi family, the father is quite content to phone in his performances but the son genuinely seems to enjoy his job...Neeme and Rattie deserve the same fate IMHO...

Harold Tucker · Post by **Harold Tucker** » Sun Apr 27, 2008 8:42 pm

Which particular Jarvi son are you referring to, Chalkie?

Ralph · Post by **Ralph** » Sun Apr 27, 2008 10:13 pm

Harold Tucker wrote:Which particular Jarvi son are you referring to, Chalkie?

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Probably Paarvo.

Chalkperson · Post by **Chalkperson** » Sun Apr 27, 2008 10:22 pm

Ralph wrote:
Harold Tucker wrote:Which particular Jarvi son are you referring to, Chalkie?
Probably Paarvo.

My apologies to the Jarvi family, I assumed there was only one 'Number One Son'...

Harold Tucker · Post by **Harold Tucker** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 10:13 am

No. One Son: www.paavojarvi.com (read his schedule and imagine the frequent flyer miles)

Younger No. One Son: www.kristjanjarvi.com (modern music a specialty)

No. One Daughter www.maarikajarvi.com (flute soloist)

I have also seen Paavo's two year old daughter make a break for the stage at Music Hall here in Cincinnati. I have no idea what her intentions were.

Post by **Lance** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 10:47 am

I have quite a regard for Neeme Järvi myself. Some of his best recorded work can find in a series of RCA-Melodiya-derived recordings:

40719: Brahms: Symphonies 2 and 3 w/Moscow Philharmonic Orchestra
40720: Paganini: Violin Concerto #1; Tchaikovsky Violin Concerto w/Tretyakov, violin; Moscow Philharmonic Orchestra
40721: Saint-Saëns: Piano Concerto #2; Tchaikovsky: Piano Concerto #1 w/Grigori Sikolov, piano; USSR Symphony Orchestra
40722: Beethoven: Piano Concerto #4 w/Maria Grinberg, piano, USSR Symphony Orchestra; Strauss: Don Juan; Strauss: Till Eulenspiegels Merry Pranks, USSR RTV Large Symphony Orchestra
40723: Cherubini: Requiem in D Minor w/Estonian State Academic Male Choir and the Estonian Radio Symphony Orchestra; Shostakovich: Loyalty: Eight Ballads for Male Choir w/Estonian State Academic Male Choir
40724: Haydn: Cello Concerto #2 in D w/Daniil Shafran, cello, USSR Symphony Orchestra; Tchaikovsky: Variations on a Rococo Theme for Cello and Orchestra w/Valentin Feigin, cello, Estonian State Symphony Orchestra

Beyond those long unavailable RCA CDs issued in 1997, there is Järvi's traversal of Edvard Grieg's complete music with orchestra [DGG 471.300, 6 CDs], and Rimsky-Korsakov's Symphonies Nos. 1-3, the Russian Easter Overture and Capriccio espagnol [DGG 423.604], not to mention a huge number of discs for Chandos with several orchestras including the Detroit, the Scottish, Philharmonia and others. Neeme has worked with among the best, has recorded a great deal, and will leave a huge legacy.[/color]

Chalkperson · Post by **Chalkperson** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 12:23 pm

I just picked up two of the Melodiya discs for 24 bucks for the pair, it's all his recent recordings that I dislike, as for the rest of the Jarvi's they are prolific to say the least, and I already owned the Atterberg disc by Kristjan but never thought he was related as he looks totally different to his brother...Paavo I like a lot, not every disc's a winner but he has a pretty high success rate...his new Beethoven discs are stunning.....

hangos · Post by **hangos** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 4:16 pm

Lance wrote:I have quite a regard for Neeme Järvi myself. Some of his best recorded work can find in a series of RCA-Melodiya-derived recordings:
40719: Brahms: Symphonies 2 and 3 w/Moscow Philharmonic Orchestra

40720: Paganini: Violin Concerto #1; Tchaikovsky Violin Concerto w/Tretyakov, violin; Moscow Philharmonic Orchestra

40721: Saint-Saëns: Piano Concerto #2; Tchaikovsky: Piano Concerto #1 w/Grigori Sikolov, piano; USSR Symphony Orchestra

40722: Beethoven: Piano Concerto #4 w/Maria Grinberg, piano, USSR Symphony Orchestra; Strauss: Don Juan; Strauss: Till Eulenspiegels Merry Pranks, USSR RTV Large Symphony Orchestra

40723: Cherubini: Requiem in D Minor w/Estonian State Academic Male Choir and the Estonian Radio Symphony Orchestra; Shostakovich: Loyalty: Eight Ballads for Male Choir w/Estonian State Academic Male Choir

40724: Haydn: Cello Concerto #2 in D w/Daniil Shafran, cello, USSR Symphony Orchestra; Tchaikovsky: Variations on a Rococo Theme for Cello and Orchestra w/Valentin Feigin, cello, Estonian State Symphony Orchestra
Beyond those long unavailable RCA CDs issued in 1997, there is Järvi's traversal of Edvard Grieg's complete music with orchestra [DGG 471.300, 6 CDs], and Rimsky-Korsakov's Symphonies Nos. 1-3, the Russian Easter Overture and Capriccio espagnol [DGG 423.604], not to mention a huge number of discs for Chandos with several orchestras including the Detroit, the Scottish, Philharmonia and others. Neeme has worked with among the best, has recorded a great deal, and will leave a huge legacy.[/color]

Not to mention his Sibelius 2nd originally issued on BIS - this is the fastest,fleetest and firiest performance of this work that I have ever heard - only problem is,after hearing it several times all other recordings sound sluggish and tame (except for Szell's 1970 live Tokyo recording - his last ever concert)
Well worth a listen - a supercharged yet lean performance!

John F · Post by **John F** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 9:19 pm

The listed program is one Järvi conducted with the Philadelphia Orchestra as a substitute for Riccardo Muti in November 2006. Is it also what the NJ Symphony played yesterday? And why would he conduct a program "dedicated to the liberation of Estonia" in November, or indeed April; in 2006 or 2008? I don't get it.

Järvi conducts Tubin, Pärt, and other Estonian music with the New Jersey Symphony, as you'd expect. But not every week.

Wallingford · Post by **Wallingford** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 9:46 pm

I'm completely with Lance regarding Neeme's recorded output....it's just a shame more of his live Detroit performances ('90-'05)haven't been made available. The orchestra itself said it had plans to do a big box set of this at the end of his tenure & it has yet to see the light of day! Thank God I've got a couple dozen CDs worth of broadcast concert dubs that show him in action, in not only repertoire he did commercially, but stuff he never did commercially--after hearing his second-season performance of Carmina Burana, there need be no other performance of it in my collection! Its bounciness & friskiness leaves the competition in the dust.

And he did a honey of a Schubert Third his fourth season, as well as a killer West Side Story: Symphonic Dances in his seventh. The list goes on and on.

Post by **Lance** » Tue Apr 29, 2008 12:23 am

Chalkperson wrote:I just picked up two of the Melodiya discs for 24 bucks for the pair, it's all his recent recordings that I dislike, as for the rest of the Jarvi's they are prolific to say the least, and I already owned the Atterberg disc by Kristjan but never thought he was related as he looks totally different to his brother...Paavo I like a lot, not every disc's a winner but he has a pretty high success rate...his new Beethoven discs are stunning.....

Chalkie, you were fortunate to find those discs. Are they the Melodiya or RCA-Melodiya editions? {Either way, same master tapes} I'm curious as to which two of the five you acquired. The price one can't quibble with either! Oddly, near as I know, RCA didin't release those as a "boxed" set like they did w/Richter, Gilels, Oistrakh, etc., but individually.

Chalkperson · Post by **Chalkperson** » Tue Apr 29, 2008 12:50 am

They look like Melodiya, I got the Haydn and Tchaikovsky, although I already have the Haydn on another Daniil Shafran disc, that coupled with Sharfan's Rococo Variations with Kondrashin but this Jarvi disc has Valentin Feigin's Tchaikovsky works, I paid $10 but they also have it new for $90...The Second disc is the Brahms 2+3, I paid $14 and there is a Used one for $104...and I am sitting here listening to the Richter/Schreier reading of Winteriesse, coupled with the 'Relique' sonata it's a long time since I played this, pure late night magic...

dulcinea · Post by **dulcinea** » Tue Apr 29, 2008 9:37 am

John F wrote:The listed program is one Järvi conducted with the Philadelphia Orchestra as a substitute for Riccardo Muti in November 2006. Is it also what the NJ Symphony played yesterday? And why would he conduct a program "dedicated to the liberation of Estonia" in November, or indeed April; in 2006 or 2008? I don't get it.

Järvi conducts Tubin, Pärt, and other Estonian music with the New Jersey Symphony, as you'd expect. But not every week.

For the entire weekend, WUSF-FM had been publicising the coming concert as being related to Estonia being hijacked by the USSR. I was surprised that it was all Austrian and German music; the explanation that was given--that it was music related to struggle and conflict--struck me as singularly specious and unconvincing.

Post by **Lance** » Tue Apr 29, 2008 10:44 am

dulcinea wrote:
John F wrote:The listed program is one Järvi conducted with the Philadelphia Orchestra as a substitute for Riccardo Muti in November 2006. Is it also what the NJ Symphony played yesterday? And why would he conduct a program "dedicated to the liberation of Estonia" in November, or indeed April; in 2006 or 2008? I don't get it.

Järvi conducts Tubin, Pärt, and other Estonian music with the New Jersey Symphony, as you'd expect. But not every week.
For the entire weekend, WUSF-FM had been publicising the coming concert as being related to Estonia being hijacked by the USSR. I was surprised that it was all Austrian and German music; the explanation that was given--that it was music related to struggle and conflict--struck me as singularly specious and unconvincing.

I was checking my CDs for strictly Estonian music. There is some on record, of course. One would think, for a tribute to Estonia, WUSF-FM could have included some REAL Estonian material, such as works by Lemba, Tobias, Raid, Pärt, Eller or Tormis. The compositions have been recorded on the Chandos label [Volume 1: 241, 2 CDs], and Chandos [Volume 2: 8656, 1 CD], all of which is conducted by Neeme Jäarvi. A Finlandia CD [20684] has three Estonian piano concertos, one each by Lemba, Tubin (actually a Concertino), and Sumera. The Tubin is quite striking, all with Vainmaa at the piano with the Estonian National SO under Volmrer.

For me, one of the most exciting Estonian composers I've heard is Arvo Pärt [b. 1935]. Another disc of interesting Estonian music appears on the Warner Apex label [49871] featuring Veljo Tormis's choral works: Kinhu Island Wedding Songs, 17 Estonian Wedding Songs, Game Songs, Lullabies, etc. Geez-Louise, we probably should have started an ESTONIAN thread, eh?

greymouse · Post by **greymouse** » Tue Apr 29, 2008 11:34 am

hangos wrote: Not to mention his Sibelius 2nd originally issued on BIS - this is the fastest,fleetest and firiest performance of this work that I have ever heard - only problem is,after hearing it several times all other recordings sound sluggish and tame (except for Szell's 1970 live Tokyo recording - his last ever concert)
Well worth a listen - a supercharged yet lean performance!

Well this is an interesting tip. The problem with Sibelius is all these beautiful moments, but overall it feels very chaotic. The music could use a little more filler and spoonfeeding in my opinion to give a sense of direction - especially the 2nd! So if there's a lean quick performance, I'm all ears - hopefully it adds to the otherwise wonderful music.

I'm from metro area, so I've attended many Jarvi DSO concerts, and the concerts always had a very mild and warm tone. They made hard pieces sound easy. And those strings!

John F · Post by **John F** » Tue Apr 29, 2008 1:53 pm

Estonia's war of liberation, which lasted from November 28, 1918 to January 3rd 1920, had a kind of anniversary in November 2006, when I believe that concert was given. Järvi, a patriotic Estonian, might have wanted to draw attention to that event, which is little known if at all outside Estonia. But it does seem gratuitous, since none of the music played was either Estonian or relevant to wars or liberation in any way.

Järvi was stepping in for Riccardo Muti, and at least the Schubert and the Hindemith were surely Muti's choices for the program; the Strauss may be as well. Substitute conductors are usually supposed not to change the program unless they must--for example, if it contains music they don't know and don't have time to learn.

Of course, if WUSF (the University of Southern Florida's NPR outlet) was promoting this concert, in NPR's series SymphonyCast, as an Estonian tribute when no such thing was actually intended by Järvi or said within the program, then that would certainly be a blunder. But I suspect that the idea originated with Järvi, and if so then it's he rather than WUSF who deserves the blame. (If "blame" is the right word.)

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