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Post by moldyoldie » Sat Oct 21, 2006 6:58 am

Shostakovich - Symphony No. 8

This is simply the most powerful music I've ever experienced. Despite its obvious connotations, the music sends me where no music has done so before nor since, not even the more popular Shostakovich symphonies like his Fifth or Tenth - I've heard and own them all. What's more, everytime I "go there", pursuant to the thread topic, I experience "something" I hadn't before, whether it's through hearing a different interpretation or revisiting a favorite one.

I own seven recordings of the Shostakovich Eighth, more than any other work, the first being an Angel LP where I first heard it in the early '70s with André Previn conducting the London Symphony and to which I tend to compare the others. The various interpretations, however, offer an amalgam of approaches in tempo and timbral dynamics across its five powerful movements; some I like better than others. I have to agree with many critics that Bernard Haitink conducting the Concertgebouw Orchestra of Amsterdam on the Decca label offers the best balance of a straightforward interpretation along with a vibrant and resonant analog recording. However, the Chandos digital recording with Neeme Järvi conducting the Scottish National Orchestra sonically blows me away!

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Post by Donaldopato » Sat Oct 21, 2006 9:27 am

The completed Mahler 10th. Each version has its merits (except the Mazzetti versions) but the Cooke completion seems to have won the performance battle. Marvelous music; I hear something new every time.

Of course a pity it was not finished by Mahler himself, what a glory that would have been.

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Post by paulb » Sun Oct 22, 2006 9:59 am

moldyoldie wrote:Shostakovich - Symphony No. 8

This is simply the most powerful music I've ever experienced. Despite its obvious connotations, the music sends me where no music has done so before nor since, not even the more popular Shostakovich symphonies like his Fifth or Tenth - I've heard and own them all. What's more, everytime I "go there", pursuant to the thread topic, I experience "something" I hadn't before, whether it's through hearing a different interpretation or revisiting a favorite one.

I own seven recordings of the Shostakovich Eighth, more than any other work, the first being an Angel LP where I first heard it in the early '70s with André Previn conducting the London Symphony and to which I tend to compare the others. The various interpretations, however, offer an amalgam of approaches in tempo and timbral dynamics across its five powerful movements; some I like better than others. I have to agree with many critics that Bernard Haitink conducting the Concertgebouw Orchestra of Amsterdam on the Decca label offers the best balance of a straightforward interpretation along with a vibrant and resonant analog recording. However, the Chandos digital recording with Neeme Järvi conducting the Scottish National Orchestra sonically blows me away!
Yep, no doubt Shostakovich's most powerful sym of all his masterpieces.
The 8th , like the vc with oistrakh/Ormandy, was the 2 most moving experiences I;'ve had in Shosty's music, and any other composer for that matter.


You say you've heard them all, yet failed to mention the Kondrashin and Rozhdestvensky. The only 2 recordings I listen to for Shsoatkovich, though Haitink does havea fine 11th. I'm sure his 8th is good as well.
but in Shostakovich I'm very partial to russian forces.

I've compared, long ago, the 2 , and came to the conclusion the Kondrashin gets more of the icy, stark, emotional depth, than does the Rozhdestvensky.
Both are excellent, but the Kond gives the deeper experience.

Now as to the new Aulos release of the Kond, there is a more filtering, and so the highs are somewhat slightly muted , they "cleaned up" the old Melodyia.
Thus I get more feeling from the brighter (distorted?) Melodyia cd. Tyhe viollins/winds come through slightly more than the Aulos release.
Though the Melodyia is OOP.
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Post by paulb » Sun Oct 22, 2006 12:11 pm

There's also the flip side to this repeated lsitening experience.
Which works did you hear repeatable and felt it was time to say Adios, Good Bye, It was nice knowing you 8)

...lets see...Rimsky's Scheherazade (man what a tough one to spell). hope never to hear that "little gem" ever again in my life.....Chopin's Ballades, Nocturnes. "nice knowing you" here for me. They don't exsist.

Mendelssohn's violin concerto. Heard that the other day and hope not to again.

And your good bye's?
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Post by moldyoldie » Sun Oct 22, 2006 12:29 pm

paulb wrote:You say you've heard them all, yet failed to mention the Kondrashin and Rozhdestvensky.
I meant that I've heard all his symphonies, not all recordings of the Eighth. :wink: Sorry.

I've yet to hear either of those you mention, but if you recommend them I'll have to search them out. (How many Eighths can a collection hold anyway? :lol: )

I have the following:
Previn/London SO - Angel (1973) (LP, now dubbed to cassette)
Sanderling/Berlin SO - Berlin Classics (1977)
Mravinsky/Leningrad Phil. O. - Philips (1982)
Haitink/Concergebouw O. - Decca (1983)
Järvi/Scottish Nat. O. - Chandos (1989)
Rostropovich/National SO - Teldec (1992)
Previn/London SO - Deutsche Grammophon (1994)

The later Previn isn't nearly as affecting as his '73 recording, in my opinion, and he draws out that weighty first movement to nearly 28 minutes! Sanderling comes in at 27, Järvi at 26½, Haitink at 26, Previn '73 at 25, Mravinsky at 24½, and Rostropovich at 23.

I'd be interested in knowing what Kondrashin and Rozhdestvensky clock in at in the first movement, if you have them available.
paulb wrote:Which works did you hear repeatable and felt it was time to say Adios, Good Bye, It was nice knowing you
If I ever hear Vivaldi's Four Seasons again, it'll be too soon. :lol: But I still love Scheherazade and Ravel's Bolero!
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Post by John Haueisen » Sun Oct 22, 2006 12:43 pm

In accord with Ralph, I find each Mahler symphony provides something new each time we hear it.

If anyone would like to "be a kid again," then, in the spirit of this Halloween season, why not listen, (as a kid) to the spooky sounds of Mahler's Third, I believe the third movement subtitled, "what the animals of the forest tell me." If, with the ingenuousness of a small child, you allow yourself to listen for the strange shrieks and cries of frightening night-time animals in the dark forest, you'll experience the auditory imagery.
"Oh, you wretched mortals--open your eyes--and ears!"

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Post by paulb » Sun Oct 22, 2006 3:28 pm

moldyoldie wrote:
paulb wrote:You say you've heard them all, yet failed to mention the Kondrashin and Rozhdestvensky.
I meant that I've heard all his symphonies, not all recordings of the Eighth. :wink: Sorry.

I've yet to hear either of those you mention, but if you recommend them I'll have to search them out. (How many Eighths can a collection hold anyway? :lol: )

I have the following:
Previn/London SO - Angel (1973) (LP, now dubbed to cassette)
Sanderling/Berlin SO - Berlin Classics (1977)
Mravinsky/Leningrad Phil. O. - Philips (1982)
Haitink/Concergebouw O. - Decca (1983)
Järvi/Scottish Nat. O. - Chandos (1989)
Rostropovich/National SO - Teldec (1992)
Previn/London SO - Deutsche Grammophon (1994)

The later Previn isn't nearly as affecting as his '73 recording, in my opinion, and he draws out that weighty first movement to nearly 28 minutes! Sanderling comes in at 27, Järvi at 26½, Haitink at 26, Previn '73 at 25, Mravinsky at 24½, and Rostropovich at 23.

I'd be interested in knowing what Kondrashin and Rozhdestvensky clock in at in the first movement, if you have them available.
paulb wrote:Which works did you hear repeatable and felt it was time to say Adios, Good Bye, It was nice knowing you
If I ever hear Vivaldi's Four Seasons again, it'll be too soon. :lol: But I still love Scheherazade and Ravel's Bolero!

Well consider it a good thing that you got to hear "the others" but now you are about to embark upon the 'real deal".
I have both sets, in some I slightly prefer Rozh, in others Kond gets the slight nod, I'm very happyto have both.
You are in luck, as folks have been waiting impatiently for the Kond to be re-issued, and finally was 3 yrs ago. Even more impatient was the wait for the Rozh set, and as of last month I see a label called Venzia (chinese) has issued the Rozh, sells on Ebay. Hows the sound transfer? Not sure.
Both sets highly recommended.
The Haitink/Concertgebouw 11th is excellent, and surmise all his are good, others fair. He has several orchs. The Kond 8th is the finest, with Rozh very close. I prefer Rozh's 7th over Kond's.
Get them both.


The Vivaldi 4 Seasons is a fine work, but I'm afraid the recordings avaliable are aweful. I hate most every recording. I havea few rare ones and are incredible. Vivaldi's music must be played on fine instruments and performed by Italians. Anything else will miss Vivaldi

I have david oistrakh 1947 in Schehzerade, and as unreal as his playing of the samll violin part, still I hope not ever to hear this work.

Rozh takes the 1st move at 24:37, Kond's at 24.
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Post by rogch » Mon Oct 23, 2006 5:18 am

Beethoven's piano sonatas are so origianal and so many that i get surprised almost every time i listen to them, apart from the most famous ones.

Bruckner's symphonies often get better the more you listen to them, in particlar before you know them well. The fifth is a real mountain-climb with looong lines. It was the first time i managed to concentrate on the entire symphony and enjoy the final climax i fell in love with Bruckner's music.
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Post by Jack Kelso » Mon Oct 23, 2006 6:38 am

Bach and Schumann gain infinitely from repeated hearings---whether they be keyboard, chamber, orchestral or choral/vocal.

They are perhaps the most "layered" of all great composers, not only contrapuntally but harmonically and in tension and emotional depth.

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Post by Sapphire » Mon Oct 23, 2006 7:35 am

Re Shostakovich Symphonies, I don't have No 8. Seeing the comments above maybe I should get it. I have heard No 8 on the radio but it didn't seem that spectacular. I guess you have to listen several times. The recommendations look very good. The ones I have are 10, 4, 7, 11, 14, 5. I thought these are the ones considered best.

I agree with Jack that Schumann's symphonies are wonderful. To me they sound just right: cheerful, bright, melodic, flowing. I always feel elated after a good Schumann session. One of the best Romantics. I never tire. I wish he had written a few more symphonies.

I must say though that I do love Mendelssohn's S5. So majestic. Among Bruckner's symphonies the only two I really like are 4 and 8. I know No 7 is highly rated but I'm not that keen. As for Mahler, I'm a bit old-fashioned but I prefer S4 and S5 to all the rest. For Sibelius it's got to be S2 and S5.

Jack, what are your favourite symphonies post Beethoven/Schubert? Top 10.


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Post by Jack Kelso » Mon Oct 23, 2006 8:02 am

Hi Saphire,

My PERSONAL favorite symphonies after Beethoven are the 4 of Schumann, the 4 of Brahms and (only 10 you say...?!) the 4th and 7th of Bruckner. Tough limiting it to ten.....I love the Franck d-minor, Mahler's 1 thru 5, Tschaikowsky, Dvorak, more Bruckner, and many 20th century works by Hindemith, Prokofiev, etc. etc.

Remember that the Schumann symphonies (as with his other works) always have that sometimes almost unheard inner struggle and undercurrent, tragedy---if you will. Schumann is seldom "purely" cheerful.

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Post by DavidRoss » Mon Oct 23, 2006 8:49 am

Pieces not mentioned thus far which I return to often for spiritual sustenance:

Ponce's Concierto del Sur

Strauss's Four Last Songs

Pärt's Fratres

Sibelius's 5th Symphony

Bach's 2nd Partita for Solo Violin

Bach's Double Concerto for Two Violins in D minor

Brahms's Piano Quintet in F minor

Debussy's Prelude to the Afternoon of a Faun


Copland's Appalachian Spring

Piazzolla's History of the Tango
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Post by IcedNote » Mon Oct 23, 2006 9:57 am

I'll keep it short as well:

Rachmaninoff - Vespers

Pure beauty.

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Post by paulb » Mon Oct 23, 2006 2:25 pm

IcedNote wrote:I'll keep it short as well:

Rachmaninoff - Vespers

Pure beauty.

-G
For over 20 yrs i loved this work, still do. But only once or 2X's a yr is OK.
Now its Schnittke's 2 sacred works...that gow on me, gow on me, grow.....more amd more...more...more....
You get the idea
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Post by PJME » Tue Oct 24, 2006 3:16 am

You get the idea

YES!!!!!!!!

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Post by Brahms » Sun Oct 29, 2006 12:06 am

Brahms, Piano Concerto no. 1
Tchaikovsky, Symphony no. 5
Beethoven, Piano Concerto no. 4
Mahler, Symphonies no. 2, 3, & 6
Brahms, Variations & Fugue on a Theme by Handel
Bruckner, Symphonies no. 8 & 9
Mozart, Symphonies no. 38 and 39

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Post by Brendan » Mon Oct 30, 2006 12:03 am

Chopin's Mazurkas. Quirky delights to my ear that provide endless amusement as well as beauty.

Schubert's late chamber music & piano sonatas. Well, late Schubert in general is pretty spectacular, so maybe I shouldn't narrow it to chamber music. And Winterreisse seems to find its way into the stereo more often than I thought it would.

Mozart's Masonic Funeral Music & Great Mass in C. Fricsay's recordings of these works get regular air time at my place. Maria Stader's angelic voice in the Great Mass is breathtaking (their Verdi Requiem is also terrific but for specific moods).

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Post by Jack Kelso » Mon Oct 30, 2006 2:08 am

Since I take to Bach's concerti like a giraffe to a tall tree, I thought I'd go back to some things that let me grow just as high from but are longer and more dramatic:

HANDEL: "Samson"; "Belshazzar"; and "Solomon".

SCHUMANN: "Szenen aus Goethes 'Faust' für Soli, Chor und Orchester";
"Das Paradies und die Peri" (oratorio)

I enjoy Mendelssohn's "Elijah" and "Paulus", too----but they are easier to listen to, softer, gentler and less powerful in expression. However, very beautiful....

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